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Agencies and contracts -- revisited - page 10

I am not against agencies in general, but only the ones that take advantage of nurses. Things to consider when going the route of using an agency: 1. There is absolutely no such thing as free... Read More

  1. Visit  chinita profile page
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    It is thru an agency and also 8 hour shift. The contract stated,
    "... will pay the nurse the prevailing wage at the site of the intended work place. Nurse will be entitled to all benefits listed in the employee handbook"

    Regarding the Placement Fee and PayRoll Deduction Authorization:
    " nurse agrees to pay .... all sponsorship and placement fee but not limit to all processing, legal, placement fees and airfare through automatic payroll deduction. Nurse will have the right to request detailed expense list upon request.

    In my case, they will only pay for USCIS Filing Fee, NVC/Packet 3 Fee, Packet 4 Fee Medical Exam Fee because I shouldered all the expenses for the exams and the VSC. The expenses that they shouldered will be deducted in the salary equally for the employment period.
  2. Visit  chinita profile page
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    There is also a surety bond. The claim against the surety bond will only be filed if I withdraw or abscond. The total amount for bond coverage is almost $3200 but in my case as I've said in the previous post will only be for the Packets because I paid for the others. If i withdraw when it is already filed in the USCIS then I will only pay for the Filing Fee + lawyer's fee. The fee will depend on what stage I withdraw.

    I haven't signed anything yet.
  3. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    Run from it. If you cancel, you are going to get hit with minimum of $5000 in immigration costs as well as filing fees. We have seen this happen time and time again. And if they have added in a surety bond, this means that they expect you to back out. There is no reason for this whatsoever.

    And since it is for an agency, then how do they know who will even have an opening seven years from now? Or how do you know that they will even be operating at that time? If they are not, when the time comes for a chance at a visa, you start all over again and everything gets cancelled out. Same thing if they are in business but do not have work for you at that time.

    You are also getting the royal screw with that contract and the rate that they wish to pay. That is the rate that is paid when all of the fees including immigration costs as well as airfare are paid by the agency or the employer.

    Your choice as to what to do, but you are most definitely getting taken advantage of. And I am sure that they are not expecting you to be able to find out anything on how they are going to be cheating you.

    And are they even licensed to petition someone from your country as well? I suspect that they are not licensed there as well either.
  4. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    And forgot to add, this agency is what we call double-dipping. They are charging you for everything as well as they are going to be getting about $10,000 from the facility. With the rate of pay that they are quoting you, they are taking a sizeable chunk from it as well, do not let them tell you otherwise. They are taking at least $5 per hour for each that you work and that also comes out to be about $10,000 for each year under your contract.
    They should be paying 100% of everything for what they are quoting you.

    Just adds in to what I was saying about them. Bad news and stay away from them if you want my opinion.
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  5. Visit  chinita profile page
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    The employer went to manila to conduct the interviews.
    The employer signed the contract and gave them to the agency after choosing the applicants who passed then the agency passed them to us.

    The agency is one of the most reputable in the country. They specialize in the career placement of Filipino professionals and worker (not only nurses). They've been around for a couple of decades already.

    It's difficult to find a good agency here. There are so many to choose from but few are with good standing.
  6. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    These companies may be reputable in your country, but not in mine. They are selling you to the highest bidder like a commodity and nothing more than that. Does not matter how long that they have been in business for, but the bigger issue and one that you and everyone else needs to consider is that they only get paid when the nurse actually starts work in the US; this is going to take years so how are they going to fund their agency?

    Next question is how do you even know that this employer will be in business seven years from now? Many nursing homes change hands every few years as well.

    But you are still getting the royal screw or shaft or whatever you want to call it. You are going to have $10,000 taken per year out of your pay for the agency, and you are paying all of the expenses. There is no reason for this, but you are going to have a very large bill to pay to them later on and this is what they are hoping for. Next item is if everything was on the up and up with the employer, why in the world would they need to go there and interview and then give things over to a middleman to handle that is not even in the US? This again sends up red flags to me as well. And what are you going to do over the next 7 years to get paid work experience. That tells me that the employer was not licenses to even recruit in the Philippines so is having to go thru an agency. Not a good thing either.

    I am telling you how things are, it does not matter to me how good an agency is. The proof is that you are getting taken advantage of but are still looking for someone to tell you that this is a good idea for you and I cannot do that. It is very bad for you to consider them.

    Suggest that you show this to your parents and then ask for their views on it. Things most definitely are not going to be as they are promised. And if this nursing home was the employer, all rates would have been listed in the contract with subject to change later on as salaries increased, not left out of it as you have received.

    Again, I think that you are making a very bad mistake, but this is something that you are going to need to decide on your own.
  7. Visit  Ginger's Mom profile page
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    Quote from chinita
    Hi.

    I read a contract, benefits are stated including 16 days PTO etc. The contract is for 3 years.
    Breach of contract is $10,000
    Anyway, the rate is $24-28 (it is for a nursing home in los angeles). The specific rate is not specified in the contract. Night differentials, overtime rates and weekend rates are also not stated. But the employer discussed that overtime pay will be x1.5 and holidays x2.


    What can you say about this contract?
    Most places have paid holidays, that alone is 9-10 PTO. Most give you a couple of weeks of sick time - I will go on the low end of 5 , so you are getting 1 vacation day. Most nurses get at the low end 2 weeks vacation as far as PTO you will are getting screwed. You will never be able to visit back home ( for the length of the contract). It is the law to pay overtime that is no big incentive.
  8. Visit  chinita profile page
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    Quote from suzanne4
    These companies may be reputable in your country, but not in mine. They are selling you to the highest bidder like a commodity and nothing more than that. Does not matter how long that they have been in business for, but the bigger issue and one that you and everyone else needs to consider is that they only get paid when the nurse actually starts work in the US; this is going to take years so how are they going to fund their agency?

    Next question is how do you even know that this employer will be in business seven years from now? Many nursing homes change hands every few years as well.

    But you are still getting the royal screw or shaft or whatever you want to call it. You are going to have $10,000 taken per year out of your pay for the agency, and you are paying all of the expenses. There is no reason for this, but you are going to have a very large bill to pay to them later on and this is what they are hoping for. Next item is if everything was on the up and up with the employer, why in the world would they need to go there and interview and then give things over to a middleman to handle that is not even in the US? This again sends up red flags to me as well. And what are you going to do over the next 7 years to get paid work experience. That tells me that the employer was not licenses to even recruit in the Philippines so is having to go thru an agency. Not a good thing either.

    I am telling you how things are, it does not matter to me how good an agency is. The proof is that you are getting taken advantage of but are still looking for someone to tell you that this is a good idea for you and I cannot do that. It is very bad for you to consider them.

    Suggest that you show this to your parents and then ask for their views on it. Things most definitely are not going to be as they are promised. And if this nursing home was the employer, all rates would have been listed in the contract with subject to change later on as salaries increased, not left out of it as you have received.

    Again, I think that you are making a very bad mistake, but this is something that you are going to need to decide on your own.
    The salary is subject to change and may vary to work location as stated in the contract.

    Thank you for replying in my inquiries.
  9. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    You just have even reinforced what I am saying even more. They do not have a specific facility that you would be hired for, and they have absolutely no idea then if they will even have a need seven years plus from now.

    You are making a very bad mistake if you sign and not all of the required information is written in the contract;if not written, then it does not exist.

    You came and asked for advice and I gave it; so have several others. We have said that it is a bad contract, you are going to be getting money taken from your pay to a tune of $10,000 per year and into their pockets.

    Best of luck as to what you decide to do. Nothing else that I am going to add to this.

    Going rate in the LA area is more than $5 higher at the moment for those that had 100% of their fees paid, you are having to pay all of it and then get $5 less an hour as well. Bad, bad idea.
  10. Visit  chinita profile page
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    Quote from suzanne4
    You just have even reinforced what I am saying even more. They do not have a specific facility that you would be hired for, and they have absolutely no idea then if they will even have a need seven years plus from now.

    You are making a very bad mistake if you sign and not all of the required information is written in the contract;if not written, then it does not exist.

    You came and asked for advice and I gave it; so have several others. We have said that it is a bad contract, you are going to be getting money taken from your pay to a tune of $10,000 per year and into their pockets.

    Best of luck as to what you decide to do. Nothing else that I am going to add to this.

    Going rate in the LA area is more than $5 higher at the moment for those that had 100% of their fees paid, you are having to pay all of it and then get $5 less an hour as well. Bad, bad idea.
    I would like to clarify what I've written on the previous post regarding the location, they would all be in California. The thing is, they have 8 facilities and the nurses would be placed to the facility that would need additional nurses.

    And about the fees, they would have to pay the immigration fees which would be around $1200. That amount would be deducted for the entire employment period.

    Anyway, thank you for your advice.
  11. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    The $1200 is just the fees to the US government, you are not including the charges of approximately $5,000 for the attorney that will be completing all of the documentation and this is what the agency is going to expense to you as well.

    I understand what you are telling me, and I am still telling you that you are being taken advantage of. I started this thread specifically so that nurses would not get taken advantage of, as well as the thread on the Philippine Forum concerning the same. And then you are walking straight into it and doing what we are telling you not to.

    They have given you a crappy contract, no two ways about it. And also suspect that they are not licensed in your country to recruit so that is why they are having an agency there handle it as well.

    There is nothing else to explain, you are going to be taken advantage of and that is exactly what they are doing. In addition to it, you are going to pay out more than 30,000 over three years to the agency for handling things for them.

    Bad, bad news.
  12. Visit  yhl1975 profile page
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    Hello dear Suzanne and dear Silverdragon! For 3 years now I have been applied for Green Card Lottery and for 2010 my spouse has a Case number.
    I have Visa SCREEN , NY Board of Nursing license and turist visa.
    Could I start legaly work without Green Card,befor all Green Card process(medical exam,consul appoitment...).
    How to do legal temporary work authorization card?
    I am interested in summer work or for 3-4 month a year in NY.What options of work do I have?Thanks a lot for your help.
  13. Visit  Silverdragon102 profile page
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    Quote from yhl1975
    Hello dear Suzanne and dear Silverdragon! For 3 years now I have been applied for Green Card Lottery and for 2010 my spouse has a Case number.
    I have Visa SCREEN , NY Board of Nursing license and turist visa.
    Could I start legaly work without Green Card,befor all Green Card process(medical exam,consul appoitment...).
    How to do legal temporary work authorization card?
    I am interested in summer work or for 3-4 month a year in NY.What options of work do I have?Thanks a lot for your help.
    You can not work without completing the process and getting GC issued. Just getting a case number doesn't help. All you can do is wait


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