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I believe it. We spend so much time trying to fix problems and fight the righteous fight to prevent deaths that in the end, things get overlooked and some people are hurt/die in hospitals. If nurses weren't having to fight so hard all the time, they would have the time to see their pts more often and avoide lots of complications. The ability of unions to control staffing also plays a big part.
So much room for disagreement here, I don't even know where to begin
Starting with the article posted by advocateforsafety. Do you find fault with Dr. Seago and Dr. Ash's study? Are there flaws in their methodology?
Do you disagree with "just cause" discipline, fairness, and due process for Registered Nurses? Do you disagree with the fact that Registered Nurses who belong to unions have Weingarten Rights?
Starting with the article posted by advocateforsafety. Do you find fault with Dr. Seago and Dr. Ash's study? Are there flaws in their methodology?Do you disagree with "just cause" discipline, fairness, and due process for Registered Nurses? Do you disagree with the fact that Registered Nurses who belong to unions have Weingarten Rights?
I have no reason to question the methodology and I do not assert that all union hospitals are out performing the nonunion facilities but that as the study asserts there is a connection to workers rights and improved outcomes for patients. The study was published after the same peer review that all studies are published and that is good enough for me. I also believe that bias is part of every person and that all things in life have to be questioned but that does not imply that there is no truth in this study.
As to Weingarten Rights I am in full support. These rights support "just cause" and fairness and make sure that there is witness to the conversation. I have worked union facilities and it is a myth that you can't be fired or disiplined at a union shop. Just another fabrication put out by the anti union machine.
I have no reason to question the methodology and I do not assert that all union hospitals are out performing the nonunion facilities but that as the study asserts there is a connection to workers rights and improved outcomes for patients. The study was published after the same peer review that all studies are published and that is good enough for me. I also believe that bias is part of every person and that all things in life have to be questioned but that does not imply that there is no truth in this study.As to Weingarten Rights I am in full support. These rights support "just cause" and fairness and make sure that there is witness to the conversation. I have worked union facilities and it is a myth that you can't be fired or disiplined at a union shop. Just another fabrication put out by the anti union machine.
Hi Advocate,
We're on the same page; I was hoping that we'd get a specific response from "46" rather than just an "I hate unions." You asked 46 to "BEGIN". I was hoping that she'd read your link and would give us some specifics as to what is it exactly that she "disagrees" with. Thanks. I think it's a great article too; nurses who have collective protection against retaliation for speaking out against unsafe institutional practices are better advocates. Patients are safer when nurses belong to an all RN union!
Hi Advocate,We're on the same page; I was hoping that we'd get a specific response from "46" rather than just an "I hate unions." You asked 46 to "BEGIN". I was hoping that she'd read your link and would give us some specifics as to what is it exactly that she "disagrees" with. Thanks. I think it's a great article too; nurses who have collective protection against retaliation for speaking out against unsafe institutional practices are better advocates. Patients are safer when nurses belong to an all RN union!
Sorry, I jumped the gun and thought you were asking if I found the methodology of the study flawed. My bad, thanks for your support.
Starting with the article posted by advocateforsafety. Do you find fault with Dr. Seago and Dr. Ash's study? Are there flaws in their methodology?Do you disagree with "just cause" discipline, fairness, and due process for Registered Nurses? Do you disagree with the fact that Registered Nurses who belong to unions have Weingarten Rights?
Well if you want Weingarten rights, you have to belong to a union. Personally I find those rights to be silly in nature.
As For the study by Dr. Seago and Dr. Ash. Any study results are preordained by the way you set up your study criteria. You can take the same data and by how you choose to evaluate it. You change to outcome to be what you want it to be. So if this study is set up by prounionists, then they evaluate it the way the want to.
As far as rights , you have the right to live and the right to die, nothing else. Anything else is just a benefit you work out for yourself. So enjoy your benefits.
My personal experiences with Union shop hospitals. Is they promote an environment of mass mediocrity. And inhibit personal initiative.
Hi Advocate,We're on the same page; I was hoping that we'd get a specific response from "46" rather than just an "I hate unions." You asked 46 to "BEGIN". I was hoping that she'd read your link and would give us some specifics as to what is it exactly that she "disagrees" with. Thanks. I think it's a great article too; nurses who have collective protection against retaliation for speaking out against unsafe institutional practices are better advocates. Patients are safer when nurses belong to an all RN union!
Ive been working the last several days.
I never used the word "Hate" I seldom ever use that word. Its an wasted and even false statement anyway.
I do not believe that "Collective protection against retaliation" is even in a state of existence. I feel that this is a misconception and attempt to lie to one's self. In an attempt to foster a stronger self confidence.
There is no proof other than Union sponsored studies that patients are safer in an all RN Union. Maybe in an all RN hospital.
The article referenced by MNA was published in March 2002. http://www.jonajournal.com/pt/re/jona/abstract.00005110-200203000-00007.htm;jsessionid=LG5JSprGMS553BxWr4GFYx1vFh2z1p8sT3Gyh2JhLJ91TlJXpBxv!-1004083789!181195629!8091!-1
links to an abstract of that article. As evidence, the study really points to the need for more research into this area. In six years some better evidence should be available. I am a more interested in the concept of unions being good for health care. I still only have my anecdotal evidence that unions are not good for patient outcomes.
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The article below is long but a good reference to support why unions are best practice.
Nursing Journal Study Shows Nurses Unions Improve Patient Outcomes in Hospitals.
Patients Treated for Heart Attacks Have Lower Mortality Rate at RN-Unionized Hospitals