What's up with RNs who refuse to scrub?

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This trend, at least in the Western states, is starting to irritate me more and more, the more I see it. I have been an OR nurse for over 20 years; scrub and circulate all areas; have done all kinds of trauma. Nowadays I only work as an OR nurse on a travel assignment once a year, to keep up my skills. The rest of the time I work as a legal nurse consultant and as an IV nurse educator.

So, what's up with these new RNs in some (not all) ORs who don't scrub, and won't learn? To me, it's like doing only HALF your job, and leaving your colleagues who DO scrub left to do their share PLUS yours. I really want an answer to this.

One time I went to a job interview to see if I could pick up some occasional per diem work at a local OR. Just for this stupid little per diem job, in an OR that is not even a trauma center, and does pretty much just VERY basic surgeries (i.e., lap choles, arthroscopies, breast biopsies, TAH-BSOs--you get the picture--) I was interviewed by the director PLUS the "charge nurses" of those areas--that is, general surgery, GYN, and ortho--all new grads. Out of the blue, the director asked, during the course of the interview, "What makes you angry?" I said, "OR nurses who refuse to scrub." Every one of the charge nurses stared at the floor. I realized, then, that NONE of them could scrub, nor would they ever learn. I knew I wasn't going to be getting that job!!! (I also knew I did not WANT that job.)

The funny thing is, scrubbing is fun; sometimes, you really bust your a** running around circulating big cases and scrubbing is a very welcome break, where you can almost let your mind go on autopilot--well, you can if you know what you are doing. Those prima donna charge nurses never will.

Oh, by the way--I always take my OR travel assignments in California, and ALL the OR nurses in those facilities scrub and circulate all areas. Are California OR RNs just better, more well-rounded RNs than the RNs in the rest of the Western region? I don't live there, but I teach there quite a bit, (as well as doing the aforementioned annual travel assignment) and I am beginning to suspect that this just might be the case. What is the trend like in the rest of the country?

Hey beans, get a life! Who cares if you are a scrub tech or an RN. As far as I am concerned a tech is a one dimensional person. Only good for one thing. If you can't be a little less hostile, go somewhere else to vent. Maybe you can find a tech forum to troll. It sure would be better for you since your opinion, as meaningless as it is, is not welcomed here. Also don't make rash judgements on a person's ability, you don't know them and have no idea what kind of nurse they are. We could make the same judgement on you and rip you another one in the skills area. If you are such a "tech" person, then why did you become an RN and why didn't you just stay a "tech"? To mimic you own words, "people like you make me sick", just what kind of people are you refering to? If your not careful your posts may not number beyond "2". Go ahead make my day and reply. Mike

Hey stevierae, get a load of this guy or gal

Per beans:

"people like you make me sick. you think you are so great!! when in reality you probably are the worst o.r. nurse. no one gives a rat's @## that you are so great. some nurses may just want to do circulating it doesn't mean the lack the greatness you pocess. i was a tech for 11 yr and have been a r.n. in the o.r. for 14. the nurses that don't want to scrub just gives me more chance to scrub. i am still a scrub tech at heart."

Beans, I really think that you should take some classes in basic English--that is, grammar, spelling, punctuation, and sentence structure. Quite frankly, I do not believe that you are an operating room nurse--you just don't come across as credible.

Hi All,

I have to agree with Shodobe and Stevierae on this one, :uhoh3:

beans, GET A LIFE!

I believe this forum is for professional nuses, the redneck forums are elsewhere.... Anyone who has as much nursing experience as you claim should have learnt how to be polite to their colleagues and how to write legible reports. Try "flaming" :angryfire people on other sites, it is extremely unprofessional be publicly rude to other nurses... we have enough patients and doctors to do that without putting up with it from our colleagues as well. Please keep your aggression to yourself or go elsewhere.

BYE!

Specializes in O.R., ED, M/S.
Hi All,

I have to agree with Shodobe and Stevierae on this one, :uhoh3:

beans, GET A LIFE!

I believe this forum is for professional nuses, the redneck forums are elsewhere.... Anyone who has as much nursing experience as you claim should have learnt how to be polite to their colleagues and how to write legible reports. Try "flaming" :angryfire people on other sites, it is extremely unprofessional be publicly rude to other nurses... we have enough patients and doctors to do that without putting up with it from our colleagues as well. Please keep your aggression to yourself or go elsewhere.

BYE!

This guy must be consulting a dictionary so he can get the words right for a reply. We have enough problems in the ranks to have a fool like this "butt" in! I would hope this is a guy because it would bother me that a lady would be so rude over something as trivial as this is. I can bet this "guy" is a 44 year old, ex-military corpman, who thinks he is better than anyone else because of his time spent in the military. I have found this is a characteristic of most, not all, ex-military people. They were allowed to do alot in the military and feel they should be able to do the same thing on the "outside" without the benefit of further education or credentialing. Some of the best, I should explain myself before being flamed, nurses I have worked with in the past 20 years are ex-military and have exceptional skills. I am not saying this jerk is ex-military, but one wonders because of his 11 years as a "tech". Ferret, I need to find out where my wife's friends live "downunder". One lives outside of Melbourne and the other is a Kiwi outside of Wellington. G'day mate, Mike

This guy must be consulting a dictionary so he can get the words right for a reply. We have enough problems in the ranks to have a fool like this "butt" in! I would hope this is a guy because it would bother me that a lady would be so rude over something as trivial as this is. I can bet this "guy" is a 44 year old, ex-military corpman, who thinks he is better than anyone else because of his time spent in the military. I have found this is a characteristic of most, not all, ex-military people. They were allowed to do alot in the military and feel they should be able to do the same thing on the "outside" without the benefit of further education or credentialing. Some of the best, I should explain myself before being flamed, nurses I have worked with in the past 20 years are ex-military and have exceptional skills. I am not saying this jerk is ex-military, but one wonders because of his 11 years as a "tech". Ferret, I need to find out where my wife's friends live "downunder". One lives outside of Melbourne and the other is a Kiwi outside of Wellington. G'day mate, Mike

I'm an ex-military copsman, Vietnam era--but I do not have the attitude. You are right, Shodobe, there are those that do--but I have to say that the ex-military corpsmen I have worked with, for the most part, are the best PAs, techs and nurses.

Specializes in O.R., ED, M/S.

You are right stevierae, the majority of them are exceptional and very few are the opposite. You will also find this in the group that transitioned from Paramedics to nursing. I think you will find this in all groups no matter what and will find the "bad apples" that give everyone a bad taste in their mouth. Don't judge to hasty on anyone. Mike

He, HE, I'm going through the recruitment process now, does that make me a soon-to-be ex-military corpsman?

I find that the military mindset can encompass any personalities, but they have a special place for real a-holes - is it boot instructor or drill sgt? I can't remember. However, the armed forces seem to attract aggresive personalities, and in my experience, aggro people = pain in the a**.

Mike, I'm in Sydney, PM me and I'll see about tracking those people down. Jason 8^)

ps. contrary to popular opinion, New Zealand is a country in it's own right, not an island off our shores. Although they do refer to us as "the mainland".. but I'll see what I can do. JJ :rolleyes:

pps. Where did you want their bodies? JJH :uhoh21:

Mike, try

http://www.schoolfriends.com.au/

It's where I'd start looking for people here.

Can't bear seeing this thread dissapear....

I'm starting to scrub for some pretty major cases now and loving every second. I was a scout nurse for four years, and felt I was missing a large part of our work by not scrubbing. The strength of the perioperative nurse is in our flexibility, we are selling ourselves, and nursing as a whole, short if we do not scrub. I can't imagine what it is like for you guys with surgical technicians, but here we will fight to keep the RN scrubbing and circulating and anaesthetics if possible... although we are losing THAT battle.

I would love to scrub, if my hospital would give me the oppty. They use ORT's only for scrubbing, and if they are short ORT's will then go to the RN's, but I haven't scrubbed in 6 months because I am still the most recent hire and have to get in line behind all the other RN's ahead of me trying to get oppty to scrub. Both my current employer and my previous hospital hired only ORT's to scrub, both hospitals in Oregon. I got into Perioperative nursing because I wanted to scrub and work toward a First Assist, which I see now I will not have oppty to do until I relocate somewhere where I can scrub and have an MD sponsor. I can't log scrub hours if I'm not scrubbing! So I don't think it's a matter of RN's not willing to scrub, but a matter of not being given the oppty to scrub.

That is so sad Jackie. I truly believe a peri- operative nurse is a nurse who can work in anaesthetics, circulate, manage a list, and perform post operative care as well. So as far as I'm concerned your so limited when your not scrubbing. I would change jobs or go to my supervisor and explain that after 6 months you should have some experience scrubbing. What happens if you stay where u are for another year and then go somewhere where you will be expected to scrub?, your co workers might expect you to have some experience and you will lose out. I hope you get a chance to scrub, good luck, fingers crossed here in london for you.

Specializes in O.R., ED, M/S.

I am so lucky in the fact where I work I can do both. My main hospital only uses RNs, so everyone who hires on has to learn to scrub. The other hospital I work part time uses ORTs to scrub most of the cases. They also use RNs in all of their open hearts. I get lucky because I go there mostly to give breaks and give lunches. I scrub out the ORTs because only a few RNs can scrub and that leaves ME! All of the RNs there want to learn to scrub but have been told it might be years before they are given the oppurtunity. I feel for the ones who can't scrub because of politics, let's face it the only reason hospitals use ORTs to begin with is because they are a cheap labor force. RNs are so versatile they should be used to their max. All I can say is hang in there and maybe something will happen for you. If not keep your eyes open for other jobs that will let you persue your dreams. Mike

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