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Sure. I'm bothered. Kids are some of the toughest creatures on earth. And they are precious to me. <-Another reason I don't want to see them masked if they don't need to be. If they need masking or not is a matter of opinion (and perhaps even stats, though it's been awhile since I went down that road). Me and a lot of others think not. Georgia, by itself records only 12 deaths under age 18.

In case you missed it, I left nursing after having the choice of firing or taking the H1N1 shot back in '09. So, no COVID kids for me. Your smug-point is well noted. I don't know if you've noticed, but I try and step around using pronouns when talking about issues. I do that because I like a good argument, and resorting to personal insults is boring & a rather dead end.

Good Link. Not sure what it would take (truly!). But I do know we haven't even begun to reach any kind of a threshold for me to want to mask children. Case #'s don't bother me.

Personally I don't believe kids should be masked at all. But I do believe that an MD or whoever is charged in a given duty, has a duty to follow guidelines that are spelled out and they agreed to to be licensed. If on the other hand it's a judgement call, then fine. Go with your best judgment.

For those interested in such things. . . Comirnaty.com came Online today (I was monitoring). Also, the FDA approval Doc/pdf defines all the testing required going fwd. https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

You think you/me/we got it so bad? How about the general public? Those folks are taking a beating unless they bury their heads and march to the beat of only one drum. Those folks I dearly care about. For the discerning person who doesn't mind research, it's a tough road unless you ignore certain signals. IMO we have .gov to thank for much of the root problem (and this dates back to mid 20th century). They and the media have destroyed the trust of the American populace. Now we trust that they have an agenda vice being that 4th arm of the Estate, looking sniffing and calling out BS from both political sides equally in the name of America. /derail. But back to COVID and info. I'm skeptical of the vax and it's producers and the contracts to the various .govs in the world. I keep my head grounded by following the "COVID Long Haul" Social Media pages so I can daily read what people are dealing with in their own lives, while at the same time, like you, researching left/right/to/fro. I do not ignore any of the alphabet agencies, because all data is data. I mean, ****, they even wiped the *waybackmachine* last year for one entity (I was monitoring). There may be trusted sources out there, like Alex Berenson & Brett Weinstein, but not many IMO. I need to hear clear cogent statements to get my full attention. I keep an open mind and, just trudge on amidst the horror show.

Probably. Like you, I have no idea, other than what the CDC does presently do with it. They bigger issue for me is simply why: If it was built and established to help with vaccine hesitancy during H1N1, why not now? That is assuming we agree that vaccine hesitancy is a problem. And that we 'may-agree' that having people removed from the profit chain lends credibility to the reporting process. Profit motives are all over this vaccine, from stem to stern and have been mentioned time and again by people discussing. All I ever was addressing was vaccine hesitancy and profit chain. Though I suppose this is a thread derail. thanks! https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/29/lessons-h1n1-monitoring-covid-19-vaccine-safety/

Yeah. Not. They are choosing NOT to use this for the present vaccine program, the mRNA tech. And why not? It was created to aid vaccine hesitancy and they are not using it. You provided evidence for nothing related to my premise.

Depends. If it's 2009, then you use the PRISM system specifically designed to intake and asses & report on the H1N1 vaccines problems. Created by and monitored by people outside of the profit chain. 2020-2021, "nah, we don't need no stinkin PRISM program. We have VAERS!" Gaps-> https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/covid-19/detecting-rare-blood-clots-was-win-us-vaccine-safety-system-still-has-gaps

I said, what I said. You have evidence in support of your argument? https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/ Lack of publishing papers could be another reason they don't inspire confidence: https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt.3488 Lack of transparency hasn't helped: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n627 By Definition, these COVID vaccines are failed vaccines. Have a Great Day!

OP, I went thru this back in '09 with H1N1 and was none to happy about it. I admit I was blissfully unaware the H1N1 was such a big deal. I had taken care of at least one 3rd term-preggo gal and had worried about her and the child too, but as in SARS 03, and other things-ICU, I never gave myself much thought. So, I took their vax and left in my own time 4 Months later never to return. That vax was easier to swallow simply due to it's being in the foundational foot print of the flu vax. This mRNA tech is too new for many folks. Me included. It has somewhere between no track record and/or a poor one. It wasn't the vax that bothered me then. l It was having to make such a choice.

Never worked OR as an RN. Every other nursing job has protocols. The protocols are what protects our license. Should be protocols in place for those CST/ST's doing whatever. Or, those protocols may say it's supposed to be an RN or have such and such training. Check those. And yeah. . .pretty important. As a Nurse, you're supposed to be aware of protocols. Ergo, you'd also know if they were being ignored.

Lucky You. I encountered about the same with staff at the last facility I worked.. After mgmt made enough of a mess to cause a big turn-over what they were left with was garbage. Made worse by mgmt's acceptance. So perdiem-sneum, it ain't restricted to per diems.? This staffing thing as some have mentioned is nothing new. It's a cycle of sorts. Though that cycle will increasingly shift faster thru it's phases up/down/up/down due to one big change yet mentioned in the thread and that's the add-on of Admin jobs/time. See chart below for what I mean. I worked with top notch diploma nurses, great CNA's & good facilities here and there. Decent pay as staff and better pay as travel. I only left due to the ever increasing workload as someone mentioned without their being a balance of what was added by taking something else away. Just add, add, add. It was real obvious that mgmt was in it for itself only. Much like a parasite. The avg. good nurse who loves nursing is gonna be hard pressed to find that sterling facility to work at. I know they are out there, but I think they're getting harder to find. Lastly, when I left I went to no job. I just left.

Right, or was it iatrogenic? Doesn't matter when you need to keep basically every charge safe. Which is why I said, put 'em all on precautions. The why/where and when was beyond my post, but your points are well taken.

Actually, it's being studied right now and is ongoing. https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-3791(21)00203-2?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS2666379121002032%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

Absolutely right. You do no have to stay anywhere you're miserable. And shouldn't. There was a time when nurse managers could make all the difference. Probably is still in some places. But those places are drying up. I think this graphic I am posting tells that tale. Both me & my wife passed on management positions simply because we knew from watching that there was nothing nurse managers could do to help our nurses and improve the workload/workplace. That was good news for us, because we both really enjoyed beside. I left nursing in 2010, but my wife is still licensed. We staffed and travelled too. From what we saw and are seeing it's less and less about patient centered care. We also noticed a trend to get rid of older nursing staff, probably to save money and possibly to have younger nurses that are less likely to question directives. But more germane to your dilemma, Leave. There are tons of other places that'd be lucky to get you. One of the coolest places I worked was a clinic that served only people well below the poverty line. The nurses, and staff and Docs there were all on the same page; and it was a beauty to behold. Best of Luck!

Can I ask? Why reply if you can't present an argument to my statement/s and instead choose to interject/proselytize about my taking a vaccine? My vaccine status is not germane to the discourse. And my argument is valid. PRISM is indeed what I said it was and it is not Online for COVID. We have this COVID pandemic. And there are a lot of people that are refusing to take the vaccine. My argument above on the PRISM project is directly R/T this issue. Vaccine proponents can nay-say and spit all they want, but there is a problem and it will not be cured by shaming, yelling or IMO anything other than reason. Right about now we need to take a good look into our collective toolboxes.

So. . .n=1? IOW, one story of a morbidly obese MSN changing her tune proves little. We can speculate till the cows come home. This story reminds me of. . . . "There are no atheists in foxholes" .

Important point in that post. Why did we not bring the PRISM program back and instead are using VAERS? PRISM was built and designed for this very thing. To inspire confidence in vaccine safety (H1N1). One of the key ways it did this was to have members removed from the profit chain. "The National Vaccine Program Office convened an independent group of experts — and by that we mean independent from vaccination program purchasing, distribution, and promotion, as well as independent from conflicts of interest — to conduct rapid reviews of the available safety data. They were solely responsible for looking at the safety of the vaccine, not its benefits. The safety data were presented to this group every two weeks, and it publicly discussed its reports once a month." And link to the article-> https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/29/lessons-h1n1-monitoring-covid-19-vaccine-safety/

Wrong. Not to be forgotten, vaccinated folks are getting COVID too, right? If this question was on NCLEX, the answer would be . . . c. The fastest and best solution for this is for all incoming pts. be put on precautions until proven positive or negative. YMMV?

mRNA makes some really big claims. And all the while (>10 yrs.) they've accomplish exactly zilch IMO. Maybe my Google-fu is weak, but I don't recall ever seeing an mRNA therapeutic that has ever been approved by the FDA.

Coping with mistakes. I think the thing for me was seeing how EASY it was to make a simple mistake. I was still being precepted when I gave the whole vial of Cardizem (25mg) IVP instead of the 10 or 15 the Residents had ordered. Good news is, they were all watching and were astonished at themselves for how well their order worked as they watched the monitor and saw that HR dropping and settling in to a nice SR they could actually see/assess. My preceptor had a suspicion though, cause she casually strolled into the room and queried me on the amount given. Once she confirmed, she yelled out the door to the residents as to what had happened. The Docs at first looked shocked, then sad, but only because they thought their order of 10 or so had worked like a charm. No one got mad, or in trouble. But I never forgot that day. Have I had med errors since? I'm sure I have but not one comes to mind. I can however remember a real near-miss. Scared the *** outta me. Near misses that you recognize can really help you in your strategies to stay safe. And those strategies are a form of coping. The hardest thing I had to learn to cope with was death . I worked ICU. Took me awhile to figure out how to not self-blame.

Our lives (your problems) would be so much easier to figure if we all said 'yes' to the metric system. The USA uses a half-assed system for medical math. oz and mL? really? Dumb! Covert all your stuff to metric and figure away. When you get bedside you'll thank yourself for doing so. Imagine. Mr. litepath sweats, urinates and stools all day in his bed. End of shift you see you've given him about 2000mL of fluids during the shift. But his output was impossible to measure since it went into the bedsheets. But you had a trick up your sleeve and you took time to weigh his sheets before making the bed and after each soiling did the same and weighed the fouled linens as well. The weighted measurements were in kg, and the difference in before and after weights in kg are his outputs. Those kg = L. My cohorts for the most part despised the metric system. But for me, it was a godsend.

sadnewgrad, don't be sad. Some places are on top of it and some take literally Months. 3 days is nothing. 3 weeks would be a good starting point of figuring they aren't interested. Almost bet that as soon as you do get your first gig, you'll have places you submitted to you calling.

You get into the local ICU by working local. All politics is local ?