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It’s all cool and stuff if one person goes to a good school but we are judged by our worst as a whole so if even somebody went to a great place if bob swole goes to Walden or some other roflchopper for profit it drags us all down

So do many pracs

Back 6-7 or so yrs ago when I was finishing up np school I remmeber we had some people from some country in Europe come (I don’t remember which maybe Ireland) and their design was to require RN experience in that specific specialty for 5 years before getting an advanced degree. They were very specific with the specialty (cardio icu for cardiac np, surgery for surgery np, OB for whatever their ob thing was, etc. that sounds like the right idea tbh

NPs teaching residents are like unicorns. You see it all over the internet but not in real life

All of earth is a population too. In respect for using it as a specific population to use as a point in making it seem as if np curriculum is superior to NP is meh because most PAs do more than 500 hours of outpatient medical clinicals anyway on top of their specialties

So I can go around saying I’m one? Lol right

Schools wouldn't listen and people have said things to the AANC and such, they dont care. They know the soccer moms out there love the easy couch curriculum and if they make it harder people will take the PA route instead and it will hit their pockets.

I can see a lot of push back on this since anesthesiologist is a protected title

There are a lot of PAs who where things such as a flight nurses prior to PA school. It is sort of a moot point though since being a flight nurse is not a hard requirement for PA or NP school so I am not sure why you are using that as an "edge" for NP education. length of time is also not all telling since the NP program at my school is fluffy compared to the PA program and this seems to hold true at many places. Also, a majority of NPs are FNPs which are not geared toward a specific population, hence the word, "family"

Nurses teach residents some stuff but most of it is superficial how to use equipment or which PRN order is best for this basic issue. A vast majority of resident teaching comes from attending, other residents, what they learn in med school. I would say at the 6 month mark most residents on an internal medicine service would outperform most NPs. They have such a more extensive education than nurses ever get. The nurses fallacy is that they see a new intern on their first iCU rotation and compare their 10 years of nursing experience up against the intern and expect the intern to know everything day one. Yet the internal has had several outpatient rotations, medicine rotations psych, etc and if the nurse was put into any of those rotations they would be just as clueless since they only know ICU. I was an NP in my last year of med school and can say the two degrees are vastly different an nP school is mostly a joke

no thanks to that and the california taxes

Nurses read through the medical diagnoses too and actually have to make some independent decisions. Scrbes just copy notes

lol a scribe being more helpful than RN prior to entering a provider role keep dreaming

Just because three preceptors say its oK doesn't mean people do not hire from walden. You go to a diploma mill, science-lite school and just because they take the same easy board exam and you are doing good in classes does not mean you will be competent

is it a perc bus or actual legit pain management practice ?

I use the magic powers of Flawnce nighting gale to find veins.

There is and always will be a hierarchy in healthcare. This does not mean that people should disrespect each other, but the liability usually comes back to the physician hence why they are higher on the hierarchy. This is not a discussion of intrinsic human value but one of workplace roles. Physicians should not be condescending and be so aloof that they do not listen to input of nurses, and I also would not consider a physician to be a nurses "boss" (they have nurse-bosses for that). But the roles of physician and nurse are not equal since the role of a physician has more responsibility than the typical nursing staff. But they are both important so respect should go both ways. From prior experience the physicians who treat nurses like mud puppies are not good people to work with/good physicians. But the nurses who aim high and think they could run the place better and demand equality to physicians are just as wrong.

Hes honest and a lot of places possibly would NOT back you no matter what they say but he sounds like he would throw you under the bus with him driving it GTHO

do ICU, makes easier to get diff jobs in future. nursery nurses are so specialized a lot of other specs do not want them if thats only what you have for experience

I love the facebook posts on some of the ads for these things. All these nurses going "real nurses use touch only these things are training wheels." Like they are some type of mygever or whatever. These tools aren't perfect but there is a reason interventional radiologists use U/s CT to guide things. Never understood how hardcore nurses are on being "expert" at unguided IV sticks and think anyone who uses any type of assist is a lesser being. They wouldn't last one minute in IR where you can actually "hurt" a patient.

Sounds like the typical nursing instructor. Undergrad nursing school was the worst experience ever, not due to difficulty but due to things such as this. Save the email. Her rule of "only taking calls" is laughable who does she think she is. Also, your family needs to figure out their stuff you should not have to take siblings to school and be late for things. You should not be late but that instructor was probably a crusty old hag.

This thread is ten years old lol google AANP prep. What you have should be enough the exam is not ultra difficult

Start looking for a new job and tell the manage to stuff it when you leave.

yeah ugh they need to tell us what specialty type before we can say which program is better but I suppose for most adult things it would be the ACNP OR ACGNP idk what it is called now lol. I don't think most NP specialties outside fnp, neoNP, psych NP, and ACNP(ACGNP) are marketable though much. Peds NP nobody wants to hire

Uptodate is really good at admitting if the data is weak though. This isn't found in the summary and recommendations part all the time but their discussion is adequate for most things. Plus they point you toward where they made their recommendation from. The only times I would say UTD+ what they reference would not be enough would be highly specialized practices that I doubt any of us are actually working in. I'll let the sub sub sub specialists determine hairsplitting changes beyond what UTD and NJEM has to say on most things