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% of people failing your program?

It seems that roughly 50% or more people will fail the first semester in my program. Is this standard? I ask because, although I myself am passing, there are people 100xs smarter then me who are not.

What are the failure rates of your 1st semester classes?

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Cant say about the first semester. Our second semester was the one that weeds the people out. I think we lost 17 from the beginning of the semester till the end. However some of those were medical leaves d/t pregnancy or other health issues. 3rd semester we had 4 fail the final, 2 fail the math test, 1 fail clinical (though there are issues surrounding this one) We started with about 70, with the LPN's joining in and the readmits from the previous year, we have 54 right now.

We have lost about 50% of our class since the beginning. Only 9 of the 16 are the original members from the original class.

I am just finishing my third semester, and we have lost only a few people along the way. Most of them have left due to circumstances outside of academic performance, very few people actually fail their classes in my program. My guess is this is largely due to the competitive nature of getting accepted into the program. Acceptance was decided soley on GPA and the pre-entrance exam score.

if they aren't passing ... they aren't smarter than you :)

I'm just finishing up my first semester. We started with 30 and now we're down to 23, I think. We lost 1 to absences, 1 to changed mind, 1 couldn't pass drug calc test, 1 to a family crisis, 1 to domestic violence, 1 couldn't handle the work load, and I'm not sure about the other one. That said, of the 23 left, at least 6 or 7 are failing, a few haven't passed a single exam. I'm interested to see how many will be there next semester, assuming I am one of them!

From what I've heard, this isn't that uncommon. When that's a trend year after year, to me it means at least one of several possibilities 1) the program doesn't do a good job in screening applicants who will be successfull and too many students got in who shouldn't've been there to begin with 2) the program doesn't do a good job in preparing its students to pass its own curriculum 3) the program doesn't do a good job in evaluating the performance and potential of it's students and is failing some who don't deserve it. 4) it makes the program look more rigorous than it is since with so many failures who would accuse them of being a "degree mill"? 5) the program is set up to fail out 50% regardless of how well or poor the overall performance of any given class (why? maybe not enough resources beyond term 1 for the number of students accepted to the program and so are forced to fail close to half of each entry class? But little worry about losing students after that first term since they know how tough it is to get back in?)

Any one of the reasons doesn't reflect well upon the school.

Hmmm, I think we have about a 25% attrition rate, but I'm not entirely sure. We definitely lost a few along the way and had several who were in danger of not making it through finals. But, I won't know for sure until after the first of the year when we head back for 2nd quarter.

We didn't lose anyone. It was close for about 1/2 the class but they pulled it off between the Hesi and the final they made it.

It seems that roughly 50% or more people will fail the first semester in my program. Is this standard? I ask because, although I myself am passing, there are people 100xs smarter then me who are not.

What are the failure rates of your 1st semester classes?

We had a very low failure rate. Out of a class of 60, we only lost 2 that I know of.

We lost one out of 54 our first term.

Its 1st semester and so far we've lost 8. Finals week is next week and about 7 people are going to make it or break it depending on their grade so they might lose more

In my area, we have 3 RN programs. 1 admits by competitive admissions, admits 30 students/year, and has only had 1 student drop out/fail out in 4 years. Typically, the lowest GPA admitted each year is 3.7.

The other two admit by waiting lists with a C- avg or above GPA required to be on the waiting list, and only about 50% of the students that start these programs finish.

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