PANA vs Pennsylvania Society of Anesthesiologist

deepz · Jul 31, 2007

Still, can you show me what was edited?........

Sheesh. The video clip is provided by P$A, hosted on their own website. You have need of further proof?

Then take AZ's word for it. He says (private communication) the video was very selectively edited. Of course P$A would want to portray his testimony in the worst possible light for their own purposes. They ain't playing beanbag there.

Obviously they have succeeded in fooling at least one gullible fish.

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Little Fish · Aug 1, 2007

Sheesh. The video clip is provided by P$A, hosted on their own website. You have need of further proof?
Then take AZ's word for it. He says (private communication) the video was very selectively edited. Of course P$A would want to portray his testimony in the worst possible light for their own purposes. They ain't playing beanbag there.
Obviously they have succeeded in fooling at least one gullible fish.
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Deepz, I for one do need more proof than your word. If PSA did edit, its still AZ's words, right?

I'm not saying that the PSA didn't make the video more favorable for them but AZ did give them the ammo. I'm just hear to see that you don't go spouting off your opinions as fact.

Who's fooled? :nono:

deepz · Aug 1, 2007

......I'm just hear to see that you don't go spouting off your opinions as fact. .....

Care to be specific, or just 'hear' to throw dirt?

You are not a CRNA, are you.

Little Fish · Aug 2, 2007

Care to be specific, or just 'hear' to throw dirt?
You are not a CRNA, are you.

You mean "here" and not "hear".

And yes I am a CRNA. I have been doing this gig for a long time now. It is possible however, that I am not altogether happy with the current direction and beliefs of our society and the newly graduated CRNA's.

CRNANUPE_2B · Aug 2, 2007

If you are not a CRNA (which I know that you are not) then clearly you have no reason to comment on Dr. Z's work or affiliation with anesthesia, the AANA, or his stand against anesthesiologist. He is trying to advance Nursing Anesthesia. Period! It is enough that he is being met with so much resentment from the anesthesiologist but he sure don't need to have any backlash from CRNA hopefuls, nurse hopefuls, or nurses period. What you should be doing is giving him the props for going against those greety pig$ and taking a stand for nurse anesthesia. Without people like him, nursing anesthesia would not have advanced to where it is today. With that not happening I am sure that you would not even be on this board because you would def. not have an interest in nursing anesthesia (i'm willing to bet a million bucks). So show some respect and dignity. At least pretend that you are here for the greater good of anesthesia. Dr. Z's credentials are far beyond what many nurses dream of achieving. He has a doctorate, 2 master degrees, and advanced training in pain mangement (DAAPM) out side of his RN degree. So like many have said, he is well qualified to speak on behalf of the subject at hand. Another thing, If people call him doctor in the clinical setting it is not misrepresenting himself. He has a doctorate degree and deserves to get called such. He is a doctor (a doctor of Nuring). He is not a physician and thats where the difference lies. The patients don't know dittly swat of who is treating or caring for them anyway. Its not the patients that give a hoot, it the physicians that care so about it because they think someone is stepping on thier toes and they are the all mighty and who dares to try to come close. Please!! This is not 1940! Healthcare and Nursing is advancing. I am very proud to have someone to fight the war to better my future profession. Lastly, the white coat thing you said.............I guess we need to tell the janitors and the clerks to stop wearing scrubs because they look like nurses. While we are at it, lets tell the lab techs too so they won't be confused as physicians, nurses, or pharmacist. :uhoh21:

thezman · Oct 20, 2007

All,

Just to clarify a few issues:

1.HB 1256 is very much alive in PA, please stay tuned to the PANA Wesite at

http://www.pana.org/top.asp There will soon be a white paper released that will clarify the history and issues that PANA faces in moving this legislation forward.

2.Please don't be fooled by the political rhetoric of the PSA/ASA the conflict is purely about control of anesthesia maketplace revenues.

3. I really do believe bringing the issue of my being in recovery is a pretty detestable cheap shot, particularly given the incidence of chemical dependency in anesthesia.

4. Regardless of my staunch opposition to the ASA/PSA assaults on CRNA practice in PA the PANA will continue to advocate for all CRNAs in PA. I have elected to remove myself from the equation so that we can all focus on principles rather than personalities.

5.Each and every time a nursing organization/group comes under fire and begins acting like a repressed group by circling the wagons and shooting inwards we do ourselfs a grave disservice. While the group is busy being in chaos and dissarray, the opposition gains tremendous power to subvert the mission of the organization which is to advocate for all of it's members.

6. For those who want to find out the reality and be part of the solution, please get involved with PANA and support the efforts of the BODs to get our 12 educational programs actively participating in the organization.

7. I hope to see all of you SRNA types involved in your professional organization rather than flaming each other in cyberspace. We need your committment and passion to move forward.

Best,

Art Z.