Giving IM inject in a SQ space? - page 2
So, I'm a nursing student in the middle semesters (graduate in May). They pair us up with a nurse to be with for a shift and we follow her along and basically do everything for her, with her... Read More
Jan 22, '07When giving an injection SQ, it's common to sqeeze the skin and SQ fat beneath it between your fingers. When giving an IM injection, you generally pull the skin tight with your fingers and then inject. With the longer needles for IM's, that injection is bound to get into the muscle on most skinny arms. As others have stated, the external location would be the same, but the two different techniques and needle lengths should ensure that the SQ injection goes into SQ tissue and the IM injection goes into muscle.
In regard to how the nurse you were working with described and maybe even misunderstood SQ and IM injection techniques... well, even with the rigors of nursing school and licensing, you'll find nurses who do things incorrectly and/or don't understand what they are doing. It's frustrating when you are a student or a new nurse because it's not clear to you when something is wrong versus when it's just done differently than you've been taught. This won't be the last time you run across this type of situation.
Aug 7, '11It doesn't sound like the nurse was wrong. From reading OP, seems like she was the one confused, thinking the certain part of the arm (deltoid region) is for SQ only, she keeps saying 'the SQ site.' I'm thinking the IM injections were given with (23 G w/ 1-1.5" needle), and OP is confusing location with actual needle gauge and size
Aug 16, '11Quote from km5v6rThat's what I learned also (back in the early to mid 80s)....when I was talking to the diabetic educator as I began insulin myself, I found out that it's now given at a 90degree angle... Also depends on the 'padding' of the area.... With some of the skinny little LTC diabetics, the 8mm and 12mm needles easily got into muscle.... JME Next decade, they'll be using a dart gun....How did you give it into the SQ? Was the needle slanted at a 45 degree angle? The needle on an insulin syringe is not long enough to enter the muscle and the syringe is held at a 90 degree angle. A pneumonia or flu vaccine should be given with a 1-1 1/2 inch needle. That would still be held at a 90 degree angle and given into the deltoid of the arm. To give either of these vaccines SQ would require either a insulin syringe, a TB syringe or a 45 degree approach.
Aug 28, '11Sub Q is generally given with the shortest needle available and the skin and fatty tissue is pulled up for the injection, with the exception of Heparin or any other anticoagulant meds. IM would be given with a 1 inch or longer needle, the length determined by the size of the patient, the gauge determined by the viscosity of the medication.
The problem with giving a medication SQ that is meant to be given IM is damage to tissue that might result, such as necrosis. Always good to make sure the route is appropriate for the medication, since the doc ordering it is only human .