Clinical hours short of NMC suggestion? - page 9

First of all, I really hope Silverdragon reads this and gives me insight. I have sent out my application as well as all of my paperwork to the NMC for my nursing license, except my training... Read More

  1. by   babyNP.
    Marksi, they actually are super different. I had something like 700-800 clinical hours in a 4 year BSN and they do 2300 in 3 years. I really don't know how they do it. I felt overwhelmed enough doing my 16 hours a week and turning in 10 page write ups that took hours upon hours. Heed my warning, you need to show at least 1500 hours total, that's what the decision officer told me was the minimum. Other people have gone back to their nursing schools and asked to recheck the hours because they do make mistakes since they don't do this kind of a thing on a regular basis.

    No, we don't plan to move to the UK for many years (want to go when we have kids that are old enough to remember their grandma and the time spent in the UK, although the new family immigration rules are making this particularly difficult).

    Job market for nursing seems to be okay for agency nursing, but not for permanent nursing from all I've been reading. Kinda sad because agency nursing is a short-gap measure and can't continue to forever in a large capacity. You'll need visa sponsorship or be a UKC or an immediate relative of one to go over...
  2. by   marksi
    that's incredible. I know what you mean. I was overwhelmed by my nursing program as well. Maybe we have more documentation than they do, regarding care plans, etc. Who knows? I know that the community college nursing programs have more clinical hours than BSN programs.
    I have italian/US citizenship, so am not worried about visa issues. I'm actually trying to get my license recognized in France, but they are such a pain in the ___, regarding getting my american diploma recognized, that's it would actually be easier to get my UK license first, then bring that to the french nursing order. That way I wouldn't have to repeat nursing school in France. So much work for so little pay, but it'll be worth it in the long run, since I think the french health care system is very efficiently run (plus I have family there). And I really like the quality of life in France.
    thanks again for your advice.
  3. by   Silverdragon102
    UK training is done through the university and is full time. Many spend weeks on the wards doing clinical placement with weeks also spent in classrooms doing threory. The course is full time with no breaks through the summer or winter so when the rest of the university takes a summer break nursing continues on through.

    THis should give you an idea on training

    Nursing (Adult), BSc(Hons) - 2013-14 - University of Huddersfield
  4. by   marksi
    thanks Silverdragon, for the info on what nursing school is like in the UK. It sounds like a 3 year bootcamp! I felt somewhat unprepared after I graduated from my US nursing program. Luckily I was already working as a CNA in two hospitals, and they both hired me on as an RN. So I already knew the nurses and they were excellent mentors. I still felt the "real" training came on the job after nursing school.
  5. by   Silverdragon102
    yep, can be hard but generally the students are not included in the numbers but work with someone on the ward and can do some other stuff if required. They have to do a few case studies and if the patient is going for further examinations or surgery being extra means they can follow through. The hospitals are also supposed to offer perceptorship and mentorship but that doesn't always work due to short staffing and looking at UK news there is a lot tougher things ahead. One hospital I used to work at has just done some mandatory redundancies and a mixture across the board have lost their jobs including senior nursing staff
  6. by   Silverdragon102
    Also don't get me wrong, the nursing students do get vacation time just not as much as the main university and usually only a couple of weeks at a time
  7. by   babyNP.
    The other thing that is really cool is that the NHS pays for the education and they can even get a bursary (free money from what I can tell to live on). That helps to compensate the comparatively lower wages.
  8. by   Silverdragon102
    bursary isn't really enough to live on your own. I remember a single mum with a couple of kids and her bursary wasn't enough even though supposed to be based on a criteria and she worked most weekends to make ends meet. Generally first couple of years students tended to work mon-fri because they didn't get paid. However by final year was expected to start working weekends in preparation to working once qualified
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  10. by   tahalverson
    Hi, I have been an ICU nurse in the US for 4.5 years. I am working on my application to the NMC to get my UK license. I was wondering if anyone can give me the formula to convert my nursing credits into hours so I can help the dean of my school out with converting them. I have a BSN and am just concerned about the hours translating. Thank you
  11. by   babyNP.
    We can't really help you with the translation. Your dean needs to figure out exactly how many clinical hours you had in each course. Mine was something like 3 hours per week per credit per quarter. It's individual for each school.
  12. by   silverhalide
    Wondering about this as well -- I am currently an LPN, and wish to finish the LPN - ADN/RN through my school. Will the NMC accept that in conjunction with a RN to BSN program? What about an RN to MSN program?
  13. by   feelslikefire
    Silverhalide, babyRN, I was wondering about this too. Is there an equivalent position to nurse practitioner in the UK, and would getting a direct entry MSN qualify me to work in the UK in any capacity as a nurse? I'm going to be 29 in two months, just starting my nursing prereqs (posted upthread a few months back - thanks again, babyRN!) and having to go through a regular 4-year degree program for BSN and THEN come back for NP degree sounds onerous, especially when I already have one undergraduate degree under my belt, and would really like to spend my early thirties traveling. Maybe I should just do travel nursing in the US and spend down time in Europe!