NPI and DEA?

core0 · Nov 14, 2008

anybody know about these?
my prior hospital signed me up for the npi number. do i have to change this? like do i apply for a new number with each company? or do i have to call and update them each time i switch jobs?
the npi is for life. you do have to assign the number to your new practice so that they can bill for you. you can do this here:
https://nppes.cms.hhs.gov/nppes/staticforward.do?forward=static.npistart
if you are like me and had no idea what your password is, you can call them and they are actually very helpful. you do have to know your npi number.
also the dea is national right? if i apply for it also do i have to call them every time i change companies? is it good for 3 years no matter where i work?
also does anybody know it says $550/for 3 years but 187 annually, do you know if you have to pay the whole 550$ up front or you can pay each year?
thanks

as far as i know its $551 for three years. i don't think there is a way to pay it yearly.

david carpenter, pa-c

Advanced Practice Columnist / Guide · Nov 14, 2008

Also the DEA is national right? If i apply for it also do i have to call them every time i change companies? Is it good for 3 years no matter where i work?
Also does anybody know it says $550/for 3 years but 187 annually, do you know if you have to pay the whole 550$ up front or you can pay each year?

I am also unaware that you can pay for a yearly DEA certificate. As long as your 3-year certificate is current, all you have to do to is update the local DEA office of your new practice location if you change jobs during the three years. This is done free of charge. The local DEA office here in Detroit accepts change of address applications via fax.

core0 · Nov 14, 2008

I am also unaware that you can pay for a yearly DEA certificate. As long as your 3-year certificate is current, all you have to do to is update the local DEA office of your new practice location if you change jobs during the three years. This is done free of charge. The local DEA office here in Detroit accepts change of address applications via fax.

You can do it online here also:

https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/webforms/jsp/regapps/common/updateLogin.jsp

David Carpenter, PA-C

emtneel · Nov 14, 2008

As far as I know its $551 for three years. I don't think there is a way to pay it yearly.
David Carpenter, PA-C

okay, it wasn't clear on the website. I hope the company will pay for all of it then, they said they would since it is required by the job.

emtneel · Nov 14, 2008

Hey so I have talked to the DEA board, the MA controlled substances board, and the NPI people...

If the people that be, make us sign up for one more number i am gonna scream!!

Anyways, kinda cool way they figured things out, you can't get a DEA without a controlled substances number for MA and you can't get a controlled substances number without a DEA. pretty cool huh!

Well the controlled substances people just said mail it in and don't worry about the DEA number, and soon as i get the MA license I can apply for the DEA and have it pending until i get the controlled substance number.... complicated much?

I asked the DEA office if i could just go ahead and apply with my TX license and controlled substance number but they said that would complicate things because i would be putting a MA business address... So unless you are going to work in multiple states simultaneously you can't do that.

And if you move to another state then you have to fax that local DEA state office your new work information, i think if i got everything straight.

Does anyone know why I wouldn't want to prescribe II-VI drugs? I didn't prescribe anything besides versed (which was cosigned by the MDA's) so I don't have which drugs are which catagory figured out yet.

If anyone knows a good website to review this....

Advanced Practice Columnist / Guide · Nov 14, 2008

Hey so I have talked to the DEA board, the MA controlled substances board, and the NPI people...
If the people that be, make us sign up for one more number i am gonna scream!!
Anyways, kinda cool way they figured things out, you can't get a DEA without a controlled substances number for MA and you can't get a controlled substances number without a DEA. pretty cool huh!
Well the controlled substances people just said mail it in and don't worry about the DEA number, and soon as i get the MA license I can apply for the DEA and have it pending until i get the controlled substance number.... complicated much?
I asked the DEA office if i could just go ahead and apply with my TX license and controlled substance number but they said that would complicate things because i would be putting a MA business address... So unless you are going to work in multiple states simultaneously you can't do that.
And if you move to another state then you have to fax that local DEA state office your new work information, i think if i got everything straight.
Does anyone know why I wouldn't want to prescribe II-VI drugs? I didn't prescribe anything besides versed (which was cosigned by the MDA's) so I don't have which drugs are which catagory figured out yet.
If anyone knows a good website to review this....

Massachussets requires a separate state controlled substance registration or MCSR prior to being issued a DEA number (http://www.mass.gov/Eeohhs2/docs/dph/quality/drugcontrol/app_practitioner_faq.pdf). You need to apply for this first. Once you get the one-time only MCSR, then you can submit a copy of this document with your application for DEA number with your local DEA office.

Don't feel bad, many states have additional requirements for a nurse pracititoner to get a DEA License. Michigan requires a copy of the collaborative agreement with the DEA application. Any change of address requests should also be accompanied by a collaborative agreement document. That's just the way things go.

If your practice is strictly in-patient population, you don't need a DEA License. You can write narcotics in your in-patient med orders without a DEA number (at least that's how it is in my state so check with MA if this is the same). I have a DEA License because I discharge patients home and need to write for prescriptions to patients for prn narcotics for incisional pain.

emtneel · Nov 14, 2008

Massachussets requires a separate state controlled substance registration or MCSR prior to being issued a DEA number (http://www.mass.gov/Eeohhs2/docs/dph/quality/drugcontrol/app_practitioner_faq.pdf). You need to apply for this first. Once you get the one-time only MCSR, then you can submit a copy of this document with your application for DEA number with your local DEA office.
Don't feel bad, many states have additional requirements for a nurse pracititoner to get a DEA License. Michigan requires a copy of the collaborative agreement with the DEA application. Any change of address requests should also be accompanied by a collaborative agreement document. That's just the way things go.
If your practice is strictly in-patient population, you don't need a DEA License. You can write narcotics in your in-patient med orders without a DEA number (at least that's how it is in my state so check with MA if this is the same). I have a DEA License because I discharge patients home and need to write for prescriptions to patients for prn narcotics for incisional pain.

thanks, i just wish it wasn't so complicated, and would be nice if every state was the same to streamline things!

I'm doing outpatient urgent/walk-in clinic care, so i need the DEA.

The lady at the DEA said i could go ahead and apply online, but it would just be pending until I got the MCSR number and gave it to them.

i emailed the Doc i will be working with/for to have him fill out the MCSR appl. since they want his DEA number copies and sign. on the application before i can even send that...

Texas was nice, they gave me prescriptive authority and i didn't have to do all this..