Minority SRNA/CRNA's

TJ8A · Jul 2, 2007

Hello everyone,
I have read several recommendations of colleges that offer CRNA programs, however I would not recommend any colleges in the state of Michigan. I have never seen unfairness of the magnitude that I have seen here. I returned to Michigan after completing an accelerated nursing program in New Jersey (Associate of Science degree in Nursing). I have a previous B.A degree from Wayne State University. I attended Oakland University and received my BSN degree with honors. I was working in the ICU for approximately 2 years and one of my referrals for the program came from from an Anesthesiologist. I applied to four programs here in Michigan and was not accepted. I am married with two children and did not want to apply to out of state programs and leave my family. I watched and observed several caucasian classmates and coworkers be admitted into the program. One of the individuals admitted did not have ICU experience and another person had a GPA of less than 3.0. If you really want to get into a program I would advise anyone not to come to Michigan if you are AA and you want to be considered fairly. I've seen several AA minorities apply to programs in Michigan and not be accepted. The interviewing process is strictly objective and the panel can make a selection or nonselection based on any flaw that they choose or create. If I had known what I know now, I would have never returned to Michigan and took my chances in the previous state where I and my family had resided. Yes, I am truly hurt and disappointed in the treatment to AA minorities here. Oh and by the way there was a time when it was difficult for AAs to even obtain employment in the ICUs now we can work there(especially with the shortage of nurses), but are not given opportunities to advance in the profession (i.e Nurse Anesthetist).

I tend to believe it is not true that African Americans are discriminated against in Michigan CRNA programs. Take a look at the faculty. One program (Wayne State) has an African American Program Director and two others have African American Assistant Program Directors. I'm sure Ms. Worth, (director at WSU) would argue tooth and nail with anyone that her program does not discriminate against African Americans. As always, take what you read on this board with a grain of salt.

realist · Jul 3, 2007

I tend to believe it is not true that African Americans are discriminated against in Michigan CRNA programs. Take a look at the faculty. One program (Wayne State) has an African American Program Director and two others have African American Assistant Program Directors. I'm sure Ms. Worth, (director at WSU) would argue tooth and nail with anyone that her program does not discriminate against African Americans. As always, take what you read on this board with a grain of salt.

As you have stated "Take what you read on this board with a grain of salt" however just because a minority holds a particular position within an organization does not mean that person is going to look out or even be receptive to another minorities best interest i am not asking anyone to believe what i have stated i am just making others aware of the experience that I had

realist · Jul 3, 2007

I tend to believe it is not true that African Americans are discriminated against in Michigan CRNA programs. Take a look at the faculty. One program (Wayne State) has an African American Program Director and two others have African American Assistant Program Directors. I'm sure Ms. Worth, (director at WSU) would argue tooth and nail with anyone that her program does not discriminate against African Americans. As always, take what you read on this board with a grain of salt.

Here's a little something for you to think about/ponder. If there are minorities in positions who can make a difference in the disparities among the ethnicities, then why are they questioning or writing about it instead of making an impact in the stats. I know of several African Americans who have applied and interviewed with these programs and have not been accepted, yet they have applied to out of state CRNA programs and have been accepted. You can take what you want with a grain of sand, but don't be nieve!!!! I live here and have seen the destruction in spirit. After all some people are just plain figure heads.....

zozzy777 · Jul 4, 2007

Unless one had absolute proof they were denied entrance based on race, how can you say they were descriminated against? Maybe there are other reasons those schools didn't choose those students. There are way too many factors involved in getting accepted to CRNA school. Anyone of them could have disqualified those candidates. I don't dispute the fact that descrimination does still exist in our world today. But you would have to offer solid proof it is the only reason minorities didn't get into those schools to make this a valid argument.

SigmaSRNA · Jul 7, 2007

Here's a little something for you to think about/ponder. If there are minorities in positions who can make a difference in the disparities among the ethnicities, then why are they questioning or writing about it instead of making an impact in the stats. I know of several African Americans who have applied and interviewed with these programs and have not been accepted, yet they have applied to out of state CRNA programs and have been accepted. You can take what you want with a grain of sand, but don't be nieve!!!! I live here and have seen the destruction in spirit. After all some people are just plain figure heads.....

I have a question: How many AAs are in CRNA school in Michigan?

I_am_Julia · Jul 12, 2007

it's unfortunate that some people want to believe that racism and discrimination doesn't exist. it does...it's alive. even if one person experienced it, that validates it's existance.

TJ8A · Jul 13, 2007

it's unfortunate that some people want to believe that racism and discrimination doesn't exist. it does...it's alive. even if one person experienced it, that validates it's existance.

bigfoot and nessie are validated then too.

lacedmm1 · Jul 14, 2007

Bigfoot and Nessie are validated then too.

Wow! It must be nice to be someone who has never been discriminated against and to be able to believe that racism is in the same category as the Bigfoot and the Lockness monster...I guess ignorace is bliss!!!

realist · Jul 14, 2007

Bigfoot and Nessie are validated then too.[/quot
I guess TJ8A is showing his or her NAIVETY again..............

I_am_Julia · Jul 24, 2007

wow to have discrimnation compared to an animal speaks a lot to how you feel about discrimation. wow..again we have along way to go.

bigfoot and nessie are validated then too.

TJ8A · Jul 25, 2007

Bigfoot and Nessie are validated then too.

I was commenting on the "proof" in your statement about if 'one person experienced it, that's proof it exists'. That's not the proof Zozzy was talking about. That was an opinion. He was asking for solid evidence from the poster that bashed all aneshtesia schools in Michigan by saying they are all discriminatory against African Americans because she was denied entry into their programs. I'd say she was painting with a wide brush; rather discriminatory statements of her own. Furthermore, your statements (and a few others) about my views and my own personal experiences with racism and discrimination are inflammatory and pure conjecture.

Have a good day.

realist · Jul 26, 2007

I was commenting on the "proof" in your statement about if 'one person experienced it, that's proof it exists'. That's not the proof Zozzy was talking about. That was an opinion. He was asking for solid evidence from the poster that bashed all aneshtesia schools in Michigan by saying they are all discriminatory against African Americans because she was denied entry into their programs. I'd say she was painting with a wide brush; rather discriminatory statements of her own. Furthermore, your statements (and a few others) about my views and my own personal experiences with racism and discrimination are inflammatory and pure conjecture.
Have a good day.

Tj8A, I think that you need to do your research. Have you ever heard of institutionalized discrimination? It is very hard to prove.... It is like baking a cake and knowing that an egg should have been included (although you left it out) and then asking the person who is tasting the cake to tell you what is missing. Also, I figured since you were so emotional concerning Ms. Worthless's CRNA program at Wayne State Univ. that you would have contacted her to give the statistists as to how many AAs are in programs in Michigan. I think if you weighed the numbers that apply, with the numbers that are accepted YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED........