Medics vs Nurses in the ER

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I know this is a topic which has probably been hashed to death, but I am curious to find out nurse's views on this. Before starting, let me say please read the whole post as I do see both sides of the picture. I am an experienced medic who works for a busy fire/ems service and frequently do critical care transports (including long distance as we are located an hour from any major trauma centers and frequently have difficulty getting helicopters to fly due to weather). I have applied for several positions within hospitals to work and the only position they have been willing to give is the equivalent to a tech/aide in the ER with enhanced privledges. Many of the medics I know have made the transition from the street to the hospital in search of better pay, and while the pay does increase, the ability to perform procedures and use all of our training is severely restricted. Most have had their wings clipped to the point of being reduced to nothing more than doing a nurse's scut work and starting IV's. There is also a major arguement between the nurses and medics as to who is better suited to a hospital. Here's my thoughts on it for all it's worth. Medics are trained to the emergency environment more so than nurses are. We are trained to complete difficult procedures above what a nurse is as well as function completely independent of a physician under most circumstances (though we have ability to contact med control as needed, we work mostly under a physician's standing orders). Also, we perform procedures in the worst of environments (it's one thing to intubate or start an iv in a well lit room, another to do it in a crunched up car, in a creek at midnight). Many medics find out they aren't cut out for the job after realizing this, I can't imagine the terror of even an experienced nurse who is used to functioning in a hospital being presented with that situation. That being said, here is my thoughts for you nurses. I will be the first to say when it comes to care for a special needs patient or one with a chronic disease, you all stand far and above what any medic knows, I don't care what they say. In my transports, if it is something that I am not familiar with, or a nurse knows a patient's history particularly well, I'm all for her/him accompanying me on the transport. I can always appreciate the second set of experienced hands. I will even ask for a nurse to accompany me many times even if one is not given for this reason. I am trained to deal with emergencies, not chronic patients. My job is to keep them alive until you all can perform whatever surgery, medical treatments, etc they need. I am NOT a long term care provider on any level, therefore, I don't know a patient's history as well as you may as you have cared for them for several days many times before I transfer them out and can provide me with valuable information. During my clinicals, I was well educated by great nurses who really took the time to teach me, but also showed me the differences in the care they give and we do. I have tremendous respect for the nursing profession, but while they do have different focuses, I believe BOTH have a place in a hospital. Hear me, I am not saying that nurses should be removed from the ER, simply trained differently, more like a medic. Is why so many flight services require your paramedic or at least the EMT-basic in addition to a nursing degree is to manage the the on scene difficulties one encounters. I believe a medic is not experienced enough in care to be placed anywhere except the ER in a hospital. However, I feel in addition to a nurse, if treated equally, a medic has a definite place there. What are your all's thoughts? You've heard mine, now let me know yours ! Thanks so much.

The problem with this scenario is Nurses do not get degrees in nursing specialties like ER it is much more broad in focus. I understand what you are saying but nurses don't need to be cross trained since that is what EMS providers are for.

Would just like to add one thing: The OP does recognize that nurses do bring valuable contributions to the table, but if we started training nurses and medics the same way, each would no longer have unique knowledge to contribute. For example, if we revamped nursing training and replaced some of a nurse's education with training on trauma, extrication, etc - then when the pt is brought in with celiac sprue, would the nurse still know what it was?

Hi All,

I have read most of the post on this thread, aren't we all proud of what we do. I do have couple of commits I would like to throw out. If you want the money, the responsibility, to tell others what to do GO BACK TO SCHOOL. The simple fact of the matter is a True Emergency RN has a lot more base knowledge than a Medic, I spent 5 years in a major university. How many did you spend at your tech school, you know, the same place the teach others to weld? DO not belittle my profession or my medical knowledge. When I started as a flight nurse you know how long it took me to adjust to a prehospital trips, about 20. That was just to get the packaging and routine down. My medical knowledge came with me. We fly RN and Medic on our birds. When I first started you can feel the friction between us. A couple of times during a medical emergency, I would ask the medic "hey what do think about us doing this or this" I did this to include them in my thought process, so they would not feel left out. Well I did not do my job well those two times because the medic was no I do not want to do that. Well as soon as we get to the hospital guess what the first thing the Dr does? What I was going to do in the first place. After that they played ball a little better. They were reminded they didn't know everything. I also Intubated and put EJ's in during night time operations. These are just skills Nasa taught monkeys to push bottons in space, not that hard, just takes practice. Forgive me if I do not apologizes for my statements, I am not a coy little nurse. Good Day

First of all, let me address the statement , "I spent 5 years in a major university, how many did you spend at your tech school?" I spent four years, graduated with a dual bachelor of sciences in emergency medical care and fire science from a major university with the oldest bachelor's program for paramedics out there. The training was phenominal and I could not have asked for better. Do I knock medics that went to tech schools? Absolutely not, they got better patient ride time than I did. Do I think an associates in EMS is a bad thing, nope, it just raises the level of care we are able to give. Critical care medics understand this and frankly I feel it should be a requirement to attempt to achieve your CCEMTP in addition to the two years street experience. Medics are the airway specialists on a flight, and most will tell you such. They are there to get tubes, protect airways, and the nurse is there to deal with the rest. I've flown (as a rider) with medic/rn, rn/rn, and even rn/physician teams and seen the uniqueness in how they work. All have their positives and negatives. I wouldn't blame asking the medic for their opinion for being the reason you didn't do your job appropriately. I believe there was another reason, and that was what you chose to use as your excuse. God knows there is no medic which knows everything, but neither does an RN. As others have said so well, each have something to contribute, is why they are both on the flight. One person can NOT do it all, so why even attempt to act like one could? It angers me that we can't get along better. Nurses, respect us as medical professionals, and medics, treat the nurses with the respect they deserve. We are more than ambulance drivers and they are more than bedpan changers. I believe enough said there.

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