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How many of us have struggled with less than satifactory pen lights. swollen slippery eyelids, bright lights in the units and dark coloured irises trying to see the pupil reaction??? I know I have and finally someone has done something about it.Full story here:- http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996291
Our neuro docs always say if you see a change in the pupils you better have called me a lot earlier. (I do work on a neuro unit) This is the last thing they want to hear
True but if you have a patient that is sedated and ventilated that is often ALL you can see. There are a couple of conditions that will affect the pupil size early otherwise I agree it is a late sign. The ones that affect the pupils early are of course bleeds in and around the optic chiasma.
True but if you have a patient that is sedated and ventilated that is often ALL you can see. There are a couple of conditions that will affect the pupil size early otherwise I agree it is a late sign. The ones that affect the pupils early are of course bleeds in and around the optic chiasma.
My patients are post-intubation; they have been moved to the neuro floor! But pupillary changes do occur a lot, and we do not always call the MD- :imbar :imbar
I hear you cybecat actually what I found helps is holding the torch a little off to the side so that you don't get the reflection of the light itself on the cornea making it more difficult to see the reaction which can be quite subtle. Also sometimes looking at the actual iris for activity rather than the pupil itself can give you a better indication of reaction in really dark brown eyes.
My patients are post-intubation; they have been moved to the neuro floor! But pupillary changes do occur a lot, and we do not always call the MD- :imbar :imbar
Yes but there is still too much emphasis put on pupil changes and some of that is the paucity of information out there.
The one good reliable Neuro nursing book - Hickey tends to emphasise that there are only a few really significant changes and those are usually blatant. Having said that - yes a pupil change to ovoid shape is a very early indicator of increased ICP but it is transient and difficult to detect. Bleeds/oedema in and around the optic chiasma tend to produce more pronounced differences in pupil size.
The classic sign of unequal pupils caused by uncal herniation is a late sign in head injury and usually associated with epidural bleeds - and your neurosurgeons is right - if that happens they will have wanted to be called long before - when the patient first started to deteriorate neurologically.
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How many of us have struggled with less than satifactory pen lights. swollen slippery eyelids, bright lights in the units and dark coloured irises trying to see the pupil reaction??? I know I have and finally someone has done something about it.
Full story here:- http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996291