Seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, perhaps a bit dense but:
There's so much dramatic verbiage surrounding the happenings there i.e., taking food from kids mouths, crushing dreams and three years toil in smithereens and as a CNA member myself I ought to be applying a red A to my chest....etc.
Without weighing in too much on how I read what happened there(and it does sound like after three years of working so vociferously it seems a bit shady that most of the actual nurses didn't appear to know about the election even happening until very late in the game and they were then prohibited from discussing it (?) but that's really not my point)
Why can't the SEIU and all the workers who invested all that hard work just reschedule another election date?
Soon.
Because all the work has been done already.
And everybody's there.
And now there's no way to claim secret deals.
No possibility that an RN wouldn't know exactly what they were voting for or against this time or why.
Is there some rule I missed 'cause I really did try to read all of the different threads. I'm being serious, I really don't get it exactly.
And I know it's not 'cause the unions can't handle the additional time or work involved. I mean, say what you will about CNA, but damn they are one busy group of nurses.
In the last few days, they were involved in this Ohio thing, got a local county hospital here to withdraw their own strike call and keep negotiating, ratified a pretty nifty new contract for thousands of UC nurses while also continuing to execute the final plans for the 10 day Sutter strike that starts this weekend.
I don't like some of what they do with my $$, either, but I 'll sure never accuse 'em of being lazy....
I honestly wish the best for those in Ohio:redbeathe
False again of course. CNA/NNOC has been working in Ohio for over 2 years, laying the foundations for organizing by putting on classes for nurses and building a coalition around passing a staffing ratio bill in Ohio. All of which will, when enough base has been developed, lead to organizing nurses for collective bargaining. The fear of CNA/NNOC was the main reason the hospitals were suddenly willing to do this deal with SEIU. Their worst nightmare is a union that really fights for nurses and patients.
Get your facts straight.
CNA/NNOC did not get involved publicly in that union-busting effort until the week of the election. They did not run an organizing campaign like SEIU did for years to try to win an election for CHP workers, most of whom are not RNs.
CNA/NNOC has not organized one bargaining unit in Ohio. The jury's still out as to who they are REALLY fighting for....they can say they are fighting for nurses and patients, but that's yet to come to fruition in Ohio. SEIU DOES represent nurses in OH---and other healthcare workers.
Oh, Chico! "Laying the foundations for organizing"? CNA hasn't laid the foundation for a country outhouse.
You have never organized a worker, never bargained a contract, and never passed so much as a township ordinance in the state of Ohio. You have no visible presence here whatsoever, and your political allies consist of an eccentric who came in 4th in a field of 5 for Brooksville City Council.
Passing laws to benefit Ohio workers takes a labor movement that works together. For example, SEIU led a coalition in Ohio to pass a constitutional amendment in 2006, raising the minimum wage. I can promise you, we didn't do it by running union-busting operations on other worker organizations.
The only thing the California Nurses Association has ever shown up in force to do in Ohio, was to run a massive VOTE NO campaign - an anti-union campaign. The next day, your anti-union organizers headed for the hills. Just like St. Louis. You betrayed thousands of workers and their families and you left town.
CNA members - the majority of you who are real union folks - please, you have got to stand up to that unelected hypocrite, Rose Ann DeMoro, and her gang. Do what it takes. Please, don't let them spend another dime of your union dues to destroy hope in Ohio.
Oh, Chico! "Laying the foundations for organizing"? CNA hasn't laid the foundation for a country outhouse.
You have never organized a worker, never bargained a contract, and never passed so much as a township ordinance in the state of Ohio. You have no visible presence here whatsoever, and your political allies consist of an eccentric who came in 4th in a field of 5 for Brooksville City Council.
Passing laws to benefit Ohio workers takes a labor movement that works together. For example, SEIU led a coalition in Ohio to pass a constitutional amendment in 2006, raising the minimum wage. I can promise you, we didn't do it by running union-busting operations on other worker organizations.
The only thing the California Nurses Association has ever shown up in force to do in Ohio, was to run a massive VOTE NO campaign - an anti-union campaign. The next day, your anti-union organizers headed for the hills. Just like St. Louis. You betrayed thousands of workers and their families and you left town.
CNA members - the majority of you who are real union folks - please, you have got to stand up to that unelected hypocrite, Rose Ann DeMoro, and her gang. Do what it takes. Please, don't let them spend another dime of your union dues to destroy hope in Ohio.
IN SOLIDARITY
And lets not forget an SEIU led coalition gathered over 250,000 signatures for our Healthy Families Campaign and is on the verge of winning paid sick days for all employees whose company have more than 25 employees a real grass roots effort
Oh, Chico! "Laying the foundations for organizing"? CNA hasn't laid the foundation for a country outhouse.
You have never organized a worker, never bargained a contract, and never passed so much as a township ordinance in the state of Ohio. You have no visible presence here whatsoever, and your political allies consist of an eccentric who came in 4th in a field of 5 for Brooksville City Council.
Passing laws to benefit Ohio workers takes a labor movement that works together. For example, SEIU led a coalition in Ohio to pass a constitutional amendment in 2006, raising the minimum wage. I can promise you, we didn't do it by running union-busting operations on other worker organizations.
The only thing the California Nurses Association has ever shown up in force to do in Ohio, was to run a massive VOTE NO campaign - an anti-union campaign. The next day, your anti-union organizers headed for the hills. Just like St. Louis. You betrayed thousands of workers and their families and you left town.
CNA members - the majority of you who are real union folks - please, you have got to stand up to that unelected hypocrite, Rose Ann DeMoro, and her gang. Do what it takes. Please, don't let them spend another dime of your union dues to destroy hope in Ohio.
IN SOLIDARITY
I think nurses can figure out that the reason for this sudden massive SEIU presence here is simply that y'all have finally figured out that we are a danger to the "organize the boss, growth at any cost, to hell with standards" regime that holds sway in SEIU today. Many locals in SEIU have a proud history of good organizing and good politics. 1199 perhaps the best of them all. Unfortunately the current leadership has disgraced that history and in the name of numbers above all, top-down unionism.
Rosa Ann, our executive director, is a smart strategist and tactician. But you make a big mistake to be so very fixated on her. This union is run by - really run by - an elected board of 30 RNs. Every critical decision is made by that board. I'm proud to be one of them. If Rose Ann disappeared tomorrow, we might be a bit slower without her tactical brain, but the direction would change not one iota. All volunteer, all working bedside nurses, all of whom believe in the direction of this union.
I think nurses can figure out that the reason for this sudden massive SEIU presence here ...
Can you clarify, I don't think I follow you. In California? Around 600,000 Californians are SEIU members.
Many locals in SEIU have a proud history of good organizing and good politics. 1199 perhaps the best of them all.
Yep, that's us. (Did you accidentally run a VOTE NO at the wrong union?)
Unfortunately the current leadership has disgraced that history and in the name of numbers above all, top-down unionism.
This is a reference to an internal disagreement within SEIU. The intensity of our internal discussion ought to tell you something: we're an incredibly democratic organization. You don't get this level of debate in an autocratic situation.
That said, CNA's interest in promoting, parroting and referencing our internal argument is self-serving. You want to divide SEIU just like you want to divide the UAN, and the labor movement in general. A weakened labor movement is better ground for decerts and raids. The strategy is as cynical as it is unconscionable.
It's also hypocritical. The CNA is far more centralized than SEIU. Rose Ann DeMoro is an unelected leader. And didn't y'all recently get rid of term limits? I rather think you did.
This union is run by - really run by - an elected board of 30 RNs. Every critical decision is made by that board. I'm proud to be one of them.
Tell me about your decision to run an anti-union VOTE NO campaign against 8,000 workers in Ohio this month.
If Rose Ann disappeared tomorrow, we might be a bit slower without her tactical brain, but the direction would change not one iota.
I guess my hope is that you've just been sucking down glassfuls of Charlie Idelson's Propaganda Kool-Aid. It tastes so sweet (and red) but it's poisonous lies.
Without those liars feeding you a line, I'm not so sure you'd think it was okay to betray 8,000 working families in the Midwest.
Maybe it's the nice things you said about our union, 1199. But maybe I just have more faith in humanity than to think all 30 of you can possible be so sick.
Organize1199: I notice that, lacking the logic or evidence or good sense to win any points, that all of your posts have degenerated to personal attacks and insults and just repeating the same hackneyed slogans over and over again as if they had some power to do something. I would think that by now you, as a professional organizer, would have learned that RNs are not going to respond positively to that style.
Let me review the basics here a bit:
The thrust of your basic claim is that by a very few nurse volunteers and even fewer union staff passing out flyers and speaking to nurses, it became impossible for the election in Ohio to go through. And none of what they said or handed out was "anti-union". It was anti-YOUR union. There is a difference.
One of the things nurses learn as part of our education is the concept of critical thinking skills.
It wasn't that many years ago that I went through organizing at my own hospital. Our organizers built relationships of trust and respect with us. We had a sense of personal loyalty and connection. We got the full force barrage of anti union propaganda over a period of many weeks. Much of that propaganda was delivered by managers we had known for years, many of whom we liked personally. But it made no difference. The election went on as scheduled and we won by a solid margin - because all that trust had been built and groundwork had been laid. Had any strangers shown up at the last minute, and tried to intervene - as SEIU has done in our elections elsewhere - it would have made no difference.
The fact that this little deal was so easily disrupted, simply proves that it had very little foundation to stand on. You obviously had a small - likely very small - group of very committed supporters. I suspect the hope was that the voter turnout would be so small that small group could carry the day. The employer, on the other hand, had nothing to lose either way. If the vote was no, they got to remain as they like to say "union free". If the vote was yes, they get a nice compliant union that had likely already preagreed to some sell-out contract terms as part of the deal to get the election agreement.
As for the internal democracy in SEIU, I note that Stern has now taken the first steps to depose Roselli as the elected leader of UHW for having the temerity to disagree. I suspect we'll soon see all the elected leadership of that local tossed out and replaced with Stern appointees. Not very democratic looking process from here.
Oh, I almost forgot: On the clarification you asked for, I meant the sudden massive SEIU presence on this site. All joined this month just for the purpose of attacking CNA.
Chico says: "Oh, I almost forgot: On the clarification you asked for, I meant the sudden massive SEIU presence on this site. All joined this month just for the purpose of attacking CNA."
Your organizers used allnurses as part of your VOTE NO campaign. On March 9, an anti-union CNA organizer (who personally passed out anti-union pamphlets at a Springfield, Ohio CHP hospital) posted "Attention CHP Ohio RN's" on the Ohio regional section of this site, here:
The article employs the divisive language of separating RNs from other employees ("CHP RNs deserve to be part of a professional RN union, not a Service Employees union." - your emphasis, not mine). The post says "VOTE NO" at least five times. It is followed by numerous "replies" by other CNA spokespersons.
The article is foaming at the mouth with hatred and jam-packed with lie after lie after lie.
That was March 9th. SEIU supporters begin responding on March 12. It's time to bust out those critical thinking skills you've been touting...
With respect to your belittling and demeaning the three-year effort of the women and men who have driven this campaign - the hundred and fifty CHP workers who marched on the boss at his Cincinatti headquarters, in April 2005; the (many) hundreds who have participated in town hall meetings, ballot initiatives and so forth - you ought to be ashamed.
Chico also says:
...none of what they said or handed out was "anti-union". It was anti-
YOUR
union.
During an organizing drive, management frequently argues that it isn't all unions, but THIS union. They fill literature with lies about the union, and gerenally seek to divide workers, break solidarity and destroy hope. That's what you did. It's called union-busting, and nothing could be more anti-union.
Chico says: "Oh, I almost forgot: On the clarification you asked for, I meant the sudden massive SEIU presence on this site. All joined this month just for the purpose of attacking CNA."
Your organizers used allnurses as part of your VOTE NO campaign. On March 9, an anti-union CNA organizer (who personally passed out anti-union pamphlets at a Springfield, Ohio CHP hospital) posted "Attention CHP Ohio RN's" on the Ohio regional section of this site, here:
The article employs the divisive language of separating RNs from other employees ("CHP RNs deserve to be part of a professional RN union, not a Service Employees union." - your emphasis, not mine). The post says "VOTE NO" at least five times. It is followed by numerous "replies" by other CNA spokespersons.
The article is foaming at the mouth with hatred and jam-packed with lie after lie after lie.
That was March 9th. SEIU supporters begin responding on March 12. It's time to bust out those critical thinking skills you've been touting...
With respect to your belittling and demeaning the three-year effort of the women and men who have driven this campaign - the hundred and fifty CHP workers who marched on the boss at his Cincinatti headquarters, in April 2005; the (many) hundreds who have participated in town hall meetings, ballot initiatives and so forth - you ought to be ashamed.
Chico also says:
...none of what they said or handed out was "anti-union". It was anti-YOUR union.
During an organizing drive, management frequently argues that it isn't all unions, but THIS union. They fill literature with lies about the union, and gerenally seek to divide workers, break solidarity and destroy hope. That's what you did. It's called union-busting, and nothing could be more anti-union.[/quote
I think we again have to just come back to the basic question: if you had all that much support, why cancel the election? The twin claims of huge support, yet a process so fragile that a few nurses and staff talking to people and handing out flyers for a few days could allegedly make it impossible to go forward, are just not compatible with each other.
And talk about the pot calling the kettle black, I just got to see a really slimy hit piece that SEIU mailed out to nurses in Texas to try to block an election we are running there today. An election in a virtually non union state, with no unionized RNs in a very difficult environment. SEIU is doing their best to break up our election there, but unlike you in Ohio, we are going ahead. We may not win - it's a tough state with little union tradition, but we're going ahead and letting the process play out and will live with the result and if we lose, come back to try again another day. Which is how real organizing works.
we sent nothing to anyone in texas. period. try another lie, cna.
and another, another and another. cna's incessant chirping about how we are bad people for canceling an election rose ann demoro intentionally destroyed. it's just insane.
the cna leadership say what they really feel, it's on their website and the link says download the victory flyer (pdf). the flyer says in a huge font, congratulations! 8,000 chp hospital workers reject
hand-picked union.
take out the obvious lie and see what you are left with.
"We sent nothing to anyone in Texas. Period. Try another lie, CNA."
I've seen it - glossy mailer with nurses pictures and some murky references to some event in St. Louis in 2001. Possibly your masters are misleading you. Seems unlikely that you know all that goes on in a union that big.
And it's obvious your anger is getting really out of control. I'm a cardiac rehab nurse and I know how hard that can be on your heart. Take some deep breaths, take a little walk, get another job. You'll feel lots better.
and it's obvious your anger is getting really out of control. i'm a cardiac rehab nurse and i know how hard that can be on your heart. take some deep breaths, take a little walk, get another job. you'll feel lots better.
yes i am outraged. stent me, but i'm not giving up on organizing workers just because some california craft union run by an unelected, union-busting nut doesn't think ohio workers should organize with 1199.
your mystery mailer "with nurses pictures and some murky references to some event in st. louis in 2001" - c'mon let's see it! post that puppy, chico. you might not know this - but most unions fight something called management, not other unions. on the day of an election ... a glossy mailer ... lol
You know pal, since you've given up on any sort of rational argument and just devolved to name calling, it's all being a lot less fun. I guess that's sort of the last refuge of those who have nothing left to say. That's kind of how I remember it from the bullies in junior high. so let me know when you have something new or interesting to offer. Otherwise I think I'll just stay off this thread for a while.
HobbesRN
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CNA/NNOC did not get involved publicly in that union-busting effort until the week of the election. They did not run an organizing campaign like SEIU did for years to try to win an election for CHP workers, most of whom are not RNs.
CNA/NNOC has not organized one bargaining unit in Ohio. The jury's still out as to who they are REALLY fighting for....they can say they are fighting for nurses and patients, but that's yet to come to fruition in Ohio. SEIU DOES represent nurses in OH---and other healthcare workers.