Good deaths versus bad

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I'm not a nurse, just a grieving daughter. My dad died in February after his colon cancer returned to met. in his liver. His birthday was last week.

I'm trying desperately to move past my grief but I can't seem to move beyond the questions of life after death. I've been comforted by all the hospice stories of deathbed visions.

There was nothing unusual about my father's death, except that 2 days before he died he opened up his eyes briefly to stare at a seam in the ceiling behind him. He had to bend his head akwardly to do so. I kept trying to get him to look at me, but he kept returning his eyes to the ceiling. This lasted just a few minutes, then he closed his eyes again. He could not speak in his final days. But now that I have heard about deathbed visions, I wish I would have asked him if he saw something.

Still, this is not the real reason I need to ask about hospice experiences. About a year before my father died, I prayed for God to send an angel to comfort me. Two hours later, my four year old son, (unaware of this prayer) woke up at night and stared at the ceiling. Apparently, he saw "beings" floating above us. We moved from room to room and they followed. He was so freaked out, I asked (again silently) for a sign (a feather) that these beings were "safe". Ten minutes later, I felt a scratching beneath my shirt. Sure enough, I found a feather. From then on, we found feathers every where, (it was winter) including one feather on my father's chest the day he died. Our clothes that we chose for the funeral, each had a feather, as did my mother's coat. The feathers stopped the day after his funeral, until my sister woke up and found a 6" feather in her newly washed bedsheets. Other, more profound events occured that others can concur, and all seemed to call my father back to God--(he'd been angry with God most of his life and declared himself an atheist.) I'm wondering what the significance of these experiences were. Did my dad need to make "amends" with God before he died? Was this necessary for him in order to have a peaceful death?

Regardless of whether these "events" were spiritual or not, I'd like to hear real experiences from real hospice nurses on death bed visions and experiences. Are most deaths actually uneventful as far as visions and "spiritual" (for lack of a better term) experiences? Do most people "see" something or experience something that comforts them before death? Or are there just as many "scary" or "hellish" visions/experiences? What makes someone experience a positive comforting death versus a terrible one? Is it pain, fear, unfinished business, does religion seem to play any role as far as the type of visions or experiences? And what about the huge ghost stories thread? What do you think is responsible for ghosts? Evil spirits, demons, lost souls? And how could a soul get lost? Do patients that die unexpectedly (such as an emergency room death) seem to experience death differently? (perhaps because they werent' prepared?)

I know I have a lot of questions, and I know that hospice nurses don't have the key to life and death. But I do want to know what most nurses think is waiting for us on the other side, based on experience and opinions due to these experiences. Most threads seem to show one side only--either positive death bed visions, or ghost/demon type stories. I want to know what nurses think the factors are to good and bad experiences. And what experiences are the most common? Does religion seem to make a difference? Does hell or evil seem to exist? Do you believe death doesn't occur, in most cases, until a person's soul is ready? (again, back to unfinished business, waiting for family members to arrive). I do not want to split this thread into a Christianity debate, but does anyone believe the Christian requirement of "accepting Jesus" seem relevant? Do most patients really see a "light?" If so, what do you think this light is?

I'm not seeking gruesome details, trying to raise a religious debate or make light of any patient's experiences. And please, please, don't respond if you think deathbed experiences are caused by medication, disease or brain death. My goal here is to heal. I can't seem to do so until I move past some of these questions. At this stage of my grief I do not want to even consider that my father has simply ceased to exist. :(

A few weeks after my father passed, I visited my mom. I kept looking for something, I don't quite know what, but I was on the ground, behind desks, I couldn't stop . When my mother asked me what I was looking for, I couldn't help what I said: I told her I was looking for Dad. I guess it was the transition period of trying to accept that my father was truly gone--that he wasn't just around the corner or at the store. Of course, he's not here, but I still keep trying to find him....Without a doubt something spiritual happened to our family throughout his battle that seemed completely relevant/necessary in preparing my father for death. I know what I experienced, I know what other family members experienced, I know HOW it affected my Dad, but I don't know WHY. I don't know what difference it made or want signifiance it had.

Of course, I hope to hear that almost all patients die in the comfort of God and welcomed by loved ones that they have missed, and that we only pass when our soul is truly ready to move on. etc. etc. That bad deaths are only due to pain or fear (that turns to shear joy in the after life). But what really seems to happen?

Thank you for sharing. And thank you to the hospice nurses that cared for my father in his last week. I miss him.

Specializes in Hospice, Geriatrics, Wounds.

Please please please read HEAVEN IS FOR REAL...a little boys astounding story of his trip to heaven and back.

Ive been a hospice nurse for several yeara and will be back to post more when i can get home and to my laptop. On my phone now where typing is a.bear....

Specializes in Hospice, Geriatrics, Wounds.

Okay, so as a hospice nurse, I would love to tell you of my experiences....

Someone told me many years ago "people die like they live". I never quite grasped its full meaning until after working in hospice for several years.

I've witnessed both "hard" and "easy" deaths. In my opinion, a "hard, or difficult death" is a death in which the patient suffers from one sympton, or many. Now, you may be thinking...."but isn't hospice supposed to have things in place to avoid such suffering"? My answer would be, "yes, of course". There are some times; however, when medication just doesn't seem to help. These cases are far, and few between, but they do exist. Sometimes their death may drag on for days, and days. These are the instances in which I believe, for whatever reason, they just are not ready to pass on. Maybe there are things they need to resolve before they are ready to cross over. Or, maybe they are waiting for someone to arrive, or someone to leave. Generally these patients are in a semi-comatose, or comatose state, so don't communicate verbally with their families or nurses. This is their time...their time to reach their peace. I am a true believer patients have some control over when they pass. Now, maybe not the DAY, but definitely the hour, or minute. I once had a patient who was extremely restless as he was dying (terminal restlessness). His caregiver attributed this to "bearing his cross". She believed he was paying for his sins (by the suffering he was enduring), like jesus did when he paid for our sins on the cross. I don't share her beliefs, but I do respect them.

Most of my patients do talk about seeing those who have passed on in the days before their death. I envision angels floating graciously around the patient and their families. It's almost as if the patient has one foot in our world, and one foot in the "other world", and they are going back and forth between the two.......until the moment they finally put both feet into one.... I have NEVER , EVER had any patient or family member report seeing or hearing anything even related to evil. Not EVER!

In my educated opinion, I feel the people who are "at peace" pass peacefully. They don't fight, they don't hang around, and they rarely have symptoms.My patients who are strong in their faith (whatever religion), rarely hang around long. I attribute this to their faith in general. They know what to expect, where they are going, and are ready to be rewarded. Just remember, we may be crying here, but they are celebrating there..... From what you have written, it sounds as if your father had peaceful, quiet death. He must have known you and your mother would take care of each other....

I'm keeping you and your family in my thoughts and prayers....

We all wish for a peaceful, uneventful death. Just to go to sleep one night, and pass on.......

Please realize, your father is still here with you.....he fills your heart with love everyday, and I am sure you smile frequently when you thank about him. you WILL see him again.....YOU WILL! Grief is a process, its not something you can just "get over". Please reach out to someone you can talk honestly and openly with, so you are able to express your grief, and not keep it all inside.

Please read the book I posted earlier, "Heaven is for Real". It's an easy read, you could probably knock it out in several hours. I encourage all of my families to read also. I promise it will answer many of your questions Ive read it probably 4-5times, and I still cry every time I re-read it.

To missingmydad,

I'm not sure what your religious faith is but feathers are often associated with Archangel Micheal.

Sorry for your loss and I hope this helps to explain the feathers.

I am in the process of writing a book on real death bed visions both good and bad, stories from hospice workers, nurses and real patients. The reason I am writing the book is to help prepare people and families for what is an inevitable event in everyone's life. If you would like to read the book when finished contact me here at allnurse and I will be happy to put the book in front of you or email thomaskukla at yahoo dot com.

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