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Jul 15, '02Occupation: Nursing Assistant (STNA) Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 92To Cheerfuldoer
Thanks for you "postive" reply and to everybody else who understood this poll and made postive comments. I appreciate it and so will other nursing students!!!
Jul 17, '02Occupation: RN/Risk Management Joined: May '02; Posts: 130; Likes: 2Baby Girl, I wasn't offended about the poll. I was just questioning why the BSN wasn't included.
I hadn't seen the other poll regarding BSNs, sorry. You did explain with your last two posts what you had intended. Now I understand. So, please don't feel like I was complaining, I just didn't understand the "Which is better? Why or why not?" question. I'll answer that now.
It really depends on the person; which track they take. It took me a long time to get my initial degree. I had to join the Navy to get the GI Bill to get money to go to school. I worked as an operating room tech while in the Navy. When I completed my enlistment, I working as a nursing assistant. I worked full time and went to school part-time for my Associates Degree. I waited about 10 years after my ADN to start on my BSN--that was a mistake. I continued to work full time as an RN in an ICU. The university I went to required me to take all my sciences over. I was older and it seem to take forever to complete the other 60 credit hours.
If I had it to do over, I would have gone into a BSN program or started it very soon after my ADN.
With the BSN, you have more flexibility within nursing for different type of jobs. I know there are those that have been able to realize the same flexibility without the BSN. But it is getting harder for that to happen, especially with more nurses going into advanced practice nursing.
I wish you well with whatever way you decide.
I did like the structure of the ADN--adult learner style. The BSN program/classes I took made me feel like I was in High School due to the sign in sheets and rules and regulations and the inflexibility of the required clinicals. I was expected to take the same number of clinical hours as someone who had never worked as a nurse.
So, now I am mulling and thinking I might like to try for a MSN.
I must be a glutton for punishment.Last edit by DelGR on Jul 17, '02
Jul 20, '02Occupation: RN, CHPN Specialty: inpatient hospice house ; From: US ; Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 143; Likes: 18I think it is nice that there are several ways to become a nurse. When I went into nursing school I was a single mother of a 3 year old son who was working full time as a nurses aide in a home for handicapped children. I chose associates degree because it was within my price range, didn't take as long and worked out well with my lifestyle. I had too many responsibilities at the time and not enough money to go to school for a BSN. I'm not sure why I didn't choose diploma at the time, but I think it was because I didn't know about it at the time. I'm glad I took the route I did because I went to an excellant school which gave me a great knowledge of and a love for nursing. No matter what route you take you can be a wonderful nurse. Some schools don't give as much experience in the hospital which you will get when you get out. Some schools don't teach you about research or management, which you don't need unless you decide to do this in the future. Once again, if you decide to do this in the future you can go back to school and get more education. Choose the best route for you that fits your lifestyle and go for it. Don't worry about everyone's oppinions because all that matters is you just do it. cheryl
Jul 29, '02Occupation: LPN Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 168I would just like to say that I just graduated from a diploma LPN program, and I received so much clinical experience it was unreal.....ICU, ER, L&D, MED/SURG, ORTHO, STEP-DOWN, ETC, I wish I could have gone to get my Associates Degree, but circumstances did not permit that route........I worked along side student NURSES from a 4 year college program, and some of them were clueless when it came to on hands.....I was showing a 3rd year student on how to insert a foley, so I really think it depends on the program, and what is your own personnal preference, Thank you for letting me share......
Jul 30, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 175; Likes: 1Gracious hello to all. I was an ADN student. Our nursing dept was TOUGH TOUGH TOUGH !!!!
Get a B or out you go. But it was a great bunch of instructors. I agree we had a lot of hands on and since I do a lot of orienting of new nurses to our house I can see the difference in the education and hands on experience from the different programs. Sooner or later as was stated the "common sense/problem solving factor" kicks in no matter what way you took to get to nursing. Frankly I do not care what kind of pathway you took as long as you care about your pts. and are not afraid to ask a question if you do not know. Sherry
PS To quote Laura Gasparis Vonfrolio(sp?) " A nurse is a nurse is a nurse!"
Jul 30, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Feb '01; Posts: 519; Likes: 4I chose a 2 year program over a BSN because of $ and time. I had 3 children, the first about to enter college in 2 years. I never regretted this decision. It was right for me at this time in my life. If you asked me who on my floor had a diploma, BSN or AD I could not tell you. Each nurse brings her own set of skills--some are GREAT and some should look elsewhere for employment and it's not their educational background that determines this!!! My program equipped me supurbly and I have a bachelors now.
Aug 25, '02Occupation: Level II Nursery RN Joined: Aug '01; Posts: 265; Likes: 3"Beter" is an ambiguous term. If the Good Farie came along and told you that as a blessing she would award you a BSN or ADN, then take the BSN..
If you have to pay for it yourself, do the ADN. Then return for your BSN allowing your employer to pay for it.
Aug 25, '02Occupation: RN, ICU/CCU Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 1,062; Likes: 7originally posted by bbnurse34
"beter" is an ambiguous term. if the good farie came along and told you that as a blessing she would award you a bsn or adn, then take the bsn..
if you have to pay for it yourself, do the adn. then return for your bsn allowing your employer to pay for it.
i am not sure if a diploma program would count towards a degree. by going with the adn, you have all those ge's and pre-req's behind you and to transfer towards higher degrees.
Aug 25, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 1,732; Likes: 1I would rather put two years of my education into something that will transfer someday. I will be proud to earn my ADN .
Aug 25, '02Occupation: CRNA (Nurse Anesthetist) Specialty: 11 year(s) of experience ; Joined: Aug '01; Posts: 569; Likes: 71Nursing should have a minimum of a BSN. Period.
Aug 25, '02Occupation: RN, ICU/CCU Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 1,062; Likes: 7Originally posted by Qwiigley
Nursing should have a minimum of a BSN. Period.
NCLEX can be taken by an ADN. If you can pass the exam, and have the clinical hours required, why a BSN? That would limit RN's to only those 1) who are rich and can afford it 2) who are young and have 4 years to go to school 3) who live in areas that have a 4 year program available.
In other words, you are saying that only young, rich people in a University town can be an RN. And you think there is a nursing shortage now!
Aug 25, '02Occupation: CRNA (Nurse Anesthetist) Specialty: 11 year(s) of experience ; Joined: Aug '01; Posts: 569; Likes: 71Ok, I really hate to flame someone in public, but turn about is fair play.
VSummer; I realize you may have come to the above conclusion because you have not had the education nor the experience of being a nurse yet, so I'll help you out....
Your conclusion is like so many philisophical conclusions that do not work. For example: All battleships are gray. My row boat is gray. Therefore; my rowboat is a battleship.
So I will reply to each of your complaints:
1. ...Who are rich and can afford it.
School is an investment in your future. If you are so get anything of value, I think you will agree that you need to work for it. I grew up poor, but I was smart enough to look for resources that are available to me. I worked hard, saved money and when I could afford to go back to school (see next line) I then went to college.
2. Who are young and have 4 years to go to school.
I went to school when I was 30 years old. That, by most, is considered rather on the older side. If you didn;t go to school for 4 years and instead did something less productive during that time... would you then, at the end of those 4 years still be 34 years old? My way, I am better educated and have more potential.
3. Live in areas that do not have a 4 year program available.
I know it is hard to go away to school. It does not always fit into your life's plans. It is not always convenient. But that is what makes nursing a "woman's job" and not a profession. We are considered by the public (not by those who really know) hand maidens and dispensible. That is why nurses are treated so poorly at some hospitals. Why some MDs consider them less than equal. In essence: make a sacrifice- go to school. All other professions don't whine that their degree isn't offered at the community college.
Nurses need to be professional and become educated to be respected. We need a larger knowledge base than anyone could possibly get in 2 years.
Nurses who do their job to the fullest, are medical team members and not there to "work for" the MDs. We critically think in a whole different pathway than MDs. We are trained to heal/treat the whole body, not just the body part. We work with the patient, his body, his mind, his soul and his family to work toward a recovery. (in most cases).
That is what a nurse does. A nurse does not just pass meds, change sheets and chart.
If that is the job you are in; you need to make changes and make them now.
Nurses save lives. Nurses make the transition toward death and afterlife easier. Nurses help the family to cope and to find necessary resources.
The next time anyone of you are working with a patient that you have learned to love....and their electrolytes go off and their neuro assessment changes and....... Wouldn't you like to have been educated enough to know more? (No, we can never know it all, nor can we ever know enough...) But wouldn't you want someone who may catch that suble sign that could save your loved one?
STOP... don't think about FLAMIN' me for that comment. Some of you will say that, "I know ADN nurses that are better than BSN.." We all know there are exceptions to every rule. But in the rule.... the majority still prevails. Besides, it took that ADN more than 2 extra years to learn that extra stuff.
The nursing shortage will never be over until:
1. We are considered a profession desirable to get into
a. with respect
b. with more money
c. more men are in the profession. (we all know how the game works; so I won't elaborate).
2. We start showing a more professional profile to the public
a. professional attire. Quit going to work in wrinkled clothing, hair and nails that should be on someone from Sunset and Vine.
b. conduct and publish nursing care research
c. stop attacking each other
d. be educated a a min of a BSN.
Flame away to my personal mailbox. Don't clutter this thread.
Challenge: print this off and have your instructors read this.
Lastly; If only a ADN is available to you at this time.... PLEASE continue your education asap. So many more doors will open for you. I love to be a nurse... I want everyone to know my joy.Last edit by Qwiigley on Aug 25, '02
Aug 25, '02Occupation: RN, ICU/CCU Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 1,062; Likes: 7I am not flaming, nor was I speaking on behalf of myself. I am merely pointing out that if a program is certified to teach to the RN level, and students pass the NCLEX, than someone has decided that they have the training to do so ON A LIMITED LEVEL. Most specialties and jobs only hire BSN's.
I surely hope that all the CNA's, LPN / LVN's don't realize that they aren't nurses. Because according to you, not only are they NOT nurses, but neither are State recognized RN's with an ADN.