Permanent documentation... "Please advise"?

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My facility has recently changed to electronic charting from paper charting... Consequently, there's no easy way to send a message to a doctor for advice without making it a permanent part of the chart in what's called an "event note" that becomes a permanent part of the patients chart... Which the patient, pt's family, & attorneys could have access to if needed. Before I could just stick a post-it on the front of the chart to say "what do you want me to do about xyz?" My question is: How formal or how professional should those event notes be? For example, today I had a patient refuse to have his Foley catheter removed when I told him there was an order to remove it. At the end of my shift I put in an event note that said "Patient refused Foley catheter removal. Patient stated he is unable to urinate on his own & is unwilling to attempt to use a urinal or go to the bathroom. Please advise." Since everyone who cares for that patient has access to his chart and this note, one of the other nurses read what I said and said it sounded "stuffy" but how else should I tell the doctor what's going on & ask for a plan of action with out saying "This guy is lazy & says he doesn't want to get up & pee. What should I do?" ...And I won't be back to work for 5 days, so it's not really ME who needs to know what to do. Also, I want my documentation to be clear, concise, consistent, and professional enough that I wouldn't be embarrassed to defend it in court, if the need ever arises. How would you communicate this info & ask for advice??

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PACU.

No paper chart here either. We use EPIC and have a docs sticky note area we use.

EMR's are automatically backed up and the info should not be able to be lost.

Specializes in Med/Surg/Tele/Onc.
Hmm, maybe I'm hopelessly behind the times, but not having a "hard copy" chart or file or whatever seems unthinkable. The electronic record is too vulnerable. I think facilities that rely solely on electronic records will live to regret it.

It's the law of the land now. Electronic Medical Records that follow the patient is part of ACA.

Specializes in Outpatient/Clinic, ClinDoc.

No paper chart at all at my place, and we chart just like the OP, with sending notes to the MD which require them to 'sign' them or they won't leave their inbox. I generally don't use 'please advise', I end my notes with something like "MD sent message regarding refusal" and it shows right below that I sent the message to them for signature. I'm outpatient, so our docs clear their boxes at lunch and after patients are done for the day, so they sign the notes pretty quickly.

Specializes in Oncology, Palliative Care.

Altra, what an excellent point!! I bet you're exactly right about urinating being part of the criteria for discharge... & it might have changed the pt's mind if I had mentioned that to him. Thanks for bringing this up! I'll definitely remember to tell my pts important things like this in the future.

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