new grads that don'y ask questions - page 4
:confused: The hospital I work at usually gets new grads in during the month of July. I love seeing them come with their excitement, curiosity, and actually nervousness. Only b/c it keeps me... Read More
Jan 2, '03Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159Loved your post Anaclaire! I learned something from those old battleaxes of my day too..hehe!!
What's the old saying..'Not everyone is your friend, not everyone is your enemy, but everyone IS your teacher'.
Jan 2, '03Occupation: RN Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 218; Likes: 7MattsMom,
That's a GREAT saying!!! First time I've heard that one and I will commit it to memore immediately!
Thanks a bunch!
Jan 2, '03Occupation: psych R.N. Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 44We all react differently to situations and I can think of few places with more stress than a busy hosp. unit on your first days as a staff nurse. When I have the opportunity to mentor someone I love it, especially if they are new grads. I remember too well the nurses on one unit I worked being less than kind just because I was a new grad and unable to be as proficient as they were, never mind the fact that they had worked there much longer and naturally should of been. We can't eat our young!
Jan 4, '03Joined: Jan '03; Posts: 2I know most of you are experienced, and have been around for a little bit. I am in Nursing school now, doing my clinicals, and trying to learn from nurses. This is very scarey. we are afraid of looking like fools if we ask to many questions. Some of the nurses that are at the hospitals act like we are a burden. Most of us are terrified of our first job, and the expectations other nurses put on us. We have heard that nurses eat their young. I'm saying most of us are human, and a VERY few are just now it alls. I have 2 in my class now. They just know everything, and i feel sorry for you who get them, they will not ask questions. They will endanger your pts so be careful too.
Jan 4, '03Occupation: Nurse Joined: Aug '99; Posts: 364; Likes: 1I think it can go both ways. If a nurse acts like they know it all and don't ask any questions they are scary. But the nurse who asks question after question about stuff that was already explained to them or that should be basic knowledge, they are scary to.
When I was a new grad I was scared to ask questions. That is just my personality. I didn't try to act like I knew it all though. I asked when I need to.
Jan 4, '03Occupation: Nurse Practitioner Specialty: 20 year(s) of experience in Pain Mgmt, ICU nursing, L/D Nursing ; From: NC ; Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 478; Likes: 9Robin-clark,
I can understand your fear of looking like a fool. I can also understand how intimidating a "old" farty nurse can make you feel. I ENTIRELY REMEMBER HOW I FELT the first day on the job. Scared as HE**!! Most nurses answered my questions, some didn't, the point is that you ask until you know. My motto was and still is; I would rather look like a jackas* than do something wrong and hurt a patient! Even after 5 yrs on the same floor and the second most senior person I still ask questions; sometimes about stuff I really do know; but shoot, like you said we are human and like me and my co-workers call them; we have brain-farts!:chuckle You will be a much better "newbie" than any 20yr veteran nurse if you always remember you are asking questions in the interest of your patients. That makes a wonderful nurse. When you get on the job; please don't let any nurse make you feel stupid or belittled; that is their problem not yours. Remember what our mom's have always said.....The Only Stupid Question Is The Question That Isn't Asked!!!!!
Good luck in your nursing career and always keep learning!! AND(Ignore the idiots!!!!!:roll
Jan 4, '03Occupation: I'm now working as a graduate nurse on a busy (!!) haematology ward in a dedicated cancer hospital/research centre in Melbourne, Australia Joined: Jun '01; Posts: 55; Likes: 5Hi!
I'm a nearly-finished grad nurse (that is, I've nearly finished my Grad Year). I'd like to add as my $0.02 that although I never pass up a learning experience, I always seek out someone experienced before I attempt a new procedure, and I do my homework, I am only able to ask my questions of nurses that I feel comfortable with. I was told by one ACN (that's the associate charge nurse - the second in charge) that I don't ask questions and that worries her. Hmmm. I could never tell her that I actively her because the few early attempts I had at asking questions were met with a scornful look and rude answers. (And she didn't sound worried, just critical. But perhaps I'm being too harsh...) But there's always someone I CAN ask; if not I have to bite the bullet and get the scornful look, I guess...
Also, when people come up to me and demand to know what I'm doing and why (NOT the same as asking a pertinent question!) or asks me if I have any questions, I feel completely unable to think of anything to say.
Please don't assume that a quiet grad thinks they know it all. We are often more overwhelmed than we appear, and we sometimes can't think how to phrase the questions we need to know. Mind you, if you actually care what a grad is feeling you're not the one who needs to be reading this!Last edit by bungies on Jan 4, '03
Jan 4, '03Occupation: staff RN in Critical Care at a Level 1 trauma center Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 8We have an internship program for new grads (who have passed their boards) in our Critical Care Center, where they are given a 6-month course of classroom and clinical experiences. After the internship is finished the newbies go on "orientation" for about 2-3 weeks and if they are judged to need more orientation they are given it.
I recently received an evaluation from one of our newest group of interns which said that I treated her "more like a student than an RN" because I was thinking out loud, checking on her for questions, asking critical thinking questions etc. (This was during the 1st month of her internship--she had JUST passed boards).
Because this was my first precepting assignment in the CCC, (I have worked there 4 years and have 11 years experience overall) I really questioned my teaching technique, but the Primary preceptor told me not to worry--this gal has been very defensive even when someone just asks her if she needs help, or casually walks into a room and says "What's going on?". She is about to be placed back on orientation, due to several issues where she missed obvious condition changes.
I am always scared by the person who knows everything.
Jan 4, '03Occupation: Nurse Practitioner Specialty: 20 year(s) of experience in Pain Mgmt, ICU nursing, L/D Nursing ; From: NC ; Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 478; Likes: 9yms yms rn
This is what I was trying to get at with this initial start of this thread. What are we supposed to do? The reason I take notes and give them to mangmn't at the end of orientation is for this exact reason. That way if something goes wrong when they are on their own and then try to "place blame" on the preceptor I can revalidate my initial concerns that were ignored by mgmgn't. (you know the upper crust never do anything inappropiate right?) Anyway, you did the right thing during the orientation process!!
This type of know it all needs to have a meeting with the ANM, Mangager, and primary preceptor to decide where the orientation is going, expectations, and problems that are being seen thus far. Go ahead and lay out the ground rules (probably for a second time) so the orientee knows that thus far there are problems being seen.