Ethical delima????calling in or giving meds to drug seekers???

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i work part time in a family practice office. i work for all providers at one time or another. we have a doc (lets call hime smith) that is famous for giving pain meds. he'll switch them from lortab, to percocet, to methadone, to dilaudid, to whatever. we have a pt that filled her methadone then 2 days later siad they weren't working and he gave dilaudid. orders demerol 150mg im for obvious drug seekers.

the nurses know if the pt complains of pain in the hosp, he doesn't think twice about putting them on a pca. (even had a lap chole on a ms pca. 45 min after d/c of drugs pt felt good enough to leave. go figure!)

we had a surgeon admit a pt under dr. smith's care d/t lortab/percocet abuse post-op with dx of narc. addiction, even though we are not a rehab facility. the pt left with a script for lortab. she had been getting percocet #300 previous to surg.

my question for all of you is.....when does this become an ethical question for me? working in the hospital and/or working in the office. i have told the doc repeatedly my opinion that these are drug seekers and they need help. i have said......"they walked in here and joked around....then needed 150mg of demerol????????" he disagrees, and when he does defend the pt he simply says pain is subjective. uh, yeah, but can't you think for yourself? :uhoh3: i like the doc as person. very interesting company and good conversation, but don't i have a line where i am enabling these drug seeker too???? i might add no nurse at the hospital would let him be their doc. he is scary most of the time...and in difficult cases we know the pt would have a much better chance with another doc.

i have recently heard talk around the office that i might soon be offered a job working full time for this provider..(i'm full time right now med-surg) ethical delima or not....i know it sounds like i've made up my mind....but i would like your imput.

Personally as a nurse who lives with chronic pain, I try hard not to judge those who appear to 'drug seek'. For those who suffer from severe chronic pain, life may not be worth living. If the drug gives them a quality of life so be it. Drugs role is to mitigate suffering. I document what I see, what I hear from my patients and try to help them. Referrals to pain clincs are a good intervention IMO.

Excellent point, mattsmom.

When I worked adult onc, I cared for a lot of sicklers and many were categorized as drug seekers. Its important to remember that chronic pain has a much different presentation than acute pain... someone may be in serious chronic pain without appearing to be.

I would always err on the side of treating pain I'm not sure is authentic, rather than ignoring pain that truly was.

I am glad to see so many here advocating for their patients pain control. Unfortunately that is often not the case. You may be surprised at how many chronic pain sufferers suffer needlessly because of cold, judgemental and undereducated healthcare providers. It is nice to see that is not the case here.

To the OP, only you know the situation you are seeing. You have to do what you can live with and be comfortable with.

I agree 100% with 3rdSHIFTGUY

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