8-month nursing and lacking skills

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Hi. I graduated 8 months ago from an accelerated BSN program. This is my second degree and second professional career. The problem I'm having is that, while I'm book smart, I lack clinical skills.

My first job has been on a med-surg floor. I thought I'd get a broader experience working med-surg. However, what I'm realizing is, at least where I'm at, the job consist mostly of case management. I feel like I'm not getting any clinical skills. Some days I feel like I'm working fast food.

We have an IV team, so I rarely put in an IV (done it only 4 times) or draw blood. I've tried to get in there and do it before the team comes up, but then there's the problem with not having the supplies on hand; also, some IV team nurses tell me they don't want the patient "poked too many times" (even though I limit my tries to 2 MAX and only try on patients who are willing). I've not put in any NG tubes, no caths on women, and there has been no training on reading the telemetry strips (in fact, none of the nurses on my floor know how to do this even though we are considered to have the most heart patients and we have tele monitors at the nurses station...tele is monitored down the hall by techs).

I went ahead and took another job at another hospital in a critical care unit, mainly because I'm rather bored with the current job. I start in 2 weeks. I am now a little nervous about the fact that I haven't done a lot of things that students from community colleges get trained to do.

Any advice? I plan to keep my head up, have a good attitude and not be overtaken by insecurity.

As an aside, one issue my problem taps into is the sense of resentment I have experienced from some nurses who started out as CNAs and worked their way up to RNs or LPNs; I have felt, only from some, that they scoff at my lack of physical skills training. In fact, there is a long-standing belief that the nurses turned out into the community by the community college here are better trained than the nurses turned out by the university. My experience has been that I tend to understand more about the pathophys than the nurses coming from the community colleges. However, my belief is that it is up to the individual nurse and her/his own desire to learn as to whether she/he will understand the patho better, have good clinical skills, etc.; in the long run, it's both education via school and education via experience that make a fine quality anything. But, back to the resentment issue, one LPN that I have to cover, who has been a nurse for 15 years and who I absolutely respect in terms of her clinical judgment and skills, is extremely rude (actually, she's downright mean) to me. I've even asked her, if she wouldn't mind, to please share her knowledge and experience with me because I'd like to learn from her. She only glared in response.

frogdog,

You are going to be a fantastic nurse because you care about learning, knowing, and doing things the right way. Your attitude is an inspiration to me. I would love to be working with you and learning at your side. I also think it is a wonderful thing that you have the good sense, personal strength, and character to realize that achieving your BSN did not mean that you are the instant ultimate in nursing. I admire you for admitting and sharing that you have much to learn. I also admire you because you are ready and willing to do whatever necessary to learn the things that you feel you lack expertise in. God bless you for your great attitude.

llg,

You must be a great boss. I would work for you anytime, and hope that I am fortunate enough to find a spot where I have access to and influence from someone with your attitude and philosophy. Your posts exude sensible logic and fairness.

llg

You sound like a wonderful nurse/manager. Everyone should be so lucky to actually see things logically. I am glad that you think that new grads take time to evolve in to a great nurse with encourgagment and praise instead of put downs and high expectations. Not every nurse is skillful at every procedure that is why you work with others as a "team". I only wish that my former employer would have seen your logic, because they just lost a wonderful nurse due to their lack of knowledge on how some peole learn by doing and their inablility to work together and help new nurses learn without belitlling and tattling on their imperfections. Not every nurse can start an IV on anyone that may walk into their department and that every nurse may have a bad day. These nurses were like vultures just waiting to peck you eyes out when you had your back turned. I only hope that one day that they will pay for their lack of consideration for staff members and that one day a family member will over hear their nasty comments about their hospitlalized family member. My biggest regret is that I had to quit a job I loved because of the people that I worked with. They expected me to be as knowledgeable as they were and to do everything independently when I hadn't even been their for a year(many of them 5+yrs) I personally don't learn well unless I perform it on a regular basis.

Chris de lucas

I hear where you are coming from with your coaches......"hey their vitals are q4 but we haven't been getting them that often" then they tattle on me that on one occassion a dr ordered q2 temps and I didn't get them "every 2 hrs" My biggest pet peeve is the tattling on others when they do the same thing.

I have learned a lot from this experience and don't expect to make the same mistakes again in thinking that people are my friend and then when I turn around I have a knife in my back.

Well I am off to other jobs prospects have already had several job offers and 2 more interviews. No need to let those ignorant people ruin my outlook on nursing.

Thanks for the rant feel better now!

Specializes in MICU, CVICU.
My question is how can a nursing program, regarless of the level, not require these skills to be performed in front of an instructor, not once but many times...Man what is going on here. I am not knocking BSN's...it isn't thier fault if the school didn't teach it.

At my BSN program we do practice these skills and have check offs with instructors. The difference is that we do these in a skills lab. There is an enormous difference in starting IVs on a fake arm and doing it to a real person. I have not dropped an NG tube nor have I catherd anyone. I haven't done these skills not because my school does not teach it but because when I've been in clinical no patients have needed these skills done (not to mention that I would need to beat out my 9 other classmates to be the one to perform the skills). I'm not going to cath or drop an NG tube on someone who does not need it. So the problem is not a matter of the schools teaching it, it is a matter of having patients that need these skills performed in the clinical setting on the day of the clinical experience.

Specializes in CCU (Coronary Care); Clinical Research.

FrogDog- I think that once you find an atmosphere that you like and feel supported in you will excel and get the skills you need. You sound like you have a good attitude and though the cards may not have been dealt your way this time, your time to excel and feel good about the care you provide and your technical skills will come. Some floors have negative attitudes and don't allow their new comers to gain the experience they need. Plus we all have these preconceived notions about how things are going to be when we graduate and when the floors that we work on don't meet the ideas that we have in our head (like that fact that you would have the opportunity to practice all of these skills and gain confidence in you ability to do them properly and efficiently) we start to become disheartned and frustrated....

I think that it is great that you took a step to move away from an area that obviously wasn't supporting you. I hope your new area is a fun place to work. You will learn all kinds of new skills in ICU...remember to offer to do new things. On the nights you work, tell that other nurses that if they have an IV/foley/ngt, you would like to start it. Don't offer during a code situation though- that is a lot of pressure for someone who isn't confident yet about the skill. Some skills you just might not get in your area though...Keep in mind what you are to look for, assess, etc in case it ever comes around. I have never put an NG in on someone that is not on a ventilator and I have been out of school three years. I have confidence in what I know and my skills (I have put lots of NGs in- just not on someone who knows what I am doing!) and I know that when the time comes, I will be able to do the skill appropriately. Just remember to have confidence in what you do know..all of those skills you will learn with time and practice. I would try to find an atmosphere that is supportive, and yes even fun!!! Good luck in the ICU- I think that you will have a great time....

I find the debate about "community based programs" vs. BSN programs interesting. I never felt cheated out of technical skills or clinical time in the BSN program that I completed (and I have absolutely no hospital experience prior to school). While I don't know about our ADN school clinical hours, I felt that all of the ADN grads that were being oriented at the same time I was had comperable technical skills and nursing school attempts. I tried hard as a student to do as much as I could though but I felt that my school supported that...I thought we had a lot of clinical and classroom clinical time...for those that are reading and have not gone through nursing school yet- not all bsn programs skimp on the "technical" skills!!

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.

Thank you allamericangirl and gladtobeOB. I feel very honored by your comments.

I am an old nurse -- soon to be 50 years old-- and I think I have learned a few valuable lessons during the course of my career. One of the most important is the importance of having a team of co-workers that you respect and can get along with. It makes a huge difference in the quality of your life. When you find a work environment that includes that, you should be willing to make a few sacrifices in other things to work there. Those sacrifices are worth it.

I see lots of people on this list who just go where the money is ... or where they get the best hours ... etc. and then find themselves burned out and miserable. They leave nursing angry and bitter. Those nurses who find -- and/or are willing to make -- a positive work environment have long satisfying careers.

I hope you can find and/or make a good place to work for yourself.

llg

Specializes in ICU, CM, Geriatrics, Management.
... I am an old nurse -- soon to be 50 years old...

Rarely do so, but must disagree with ya on this one, llg.

No way 50 is OLD! Sorry.

Hi all, had to jump in here, hope I don't offend anyone,,just MHO....being a former EMT, LVN and new RN..I too have experienced many "higher than thou" types. Usually RN looking down on the cnas, lvn, etc. But not always....after completing a good LVN program at local community college, I was blown away to find out my fellow new nurses in hospital orientation that have never done Foley, NG, IV, etc. etc. I am talking about BSN's exclusively. .....Chuck RN, ASN

You will find your nich Just be like chuck said and don't look down at the LVN and CNA they have alot to teach You will meet some that will have attidude figureing if you make more money than them you should just know .

I had done Foley, NG, IV,wounds etc.as an CNA that was in our scope of pratice in 74 . I had an RN that I taught how to tell how to tell if a hip was broken she didn't appreate it in the least, a higher than thou" type.If I hadn't went over her head she could been in big trouble with the hospitial tryed to make the PT walk on it .I Went to our charge and she said the hips broken .I looked at that RN and said what do I know I am just a CNA .

Other RN were more than willing to learn or at least listen to what I had to say even though I had been a CNA for many years before going on. Just be willing to learn and ask questions where-ever you can .Till you get your feet.

A lot of BSN programs do not offer the clinicals needed to function with some comfort right out of school.

Don't worry about it. You have the theory, so even though you are not comfortable with doing "it" you will not hurt a pt because you know what not to do.

It is each nurses responsibility to fill in the gaps in their particular choice of educatoin. I am an LPN, when I got out of school, it took me some time to fill in the gaps in the patho.

I went to the best school in the state at the time, however, we did only have 12 months to get through it. We learned how to learn and build on what we were taught. I can't help but believe you were also taught the same.

Don't worry aobut skills, you will get them. However! I would not stay where you are now. Those nurses are just plain rude! I also believe you have to be happy at work if you are going to do your best!

Here's hoping the nurses at you new job are not so darn rude!

i cut out a lot of the quote to save space... but i think you can tell what comments i am trying to resond to.

different schools and different types of programs have different strengths and weaknesses -- just like individual people. perhaps you went to a school that was a little weaker in the teaching of technical skills than it should have been. that's life. i'm sure the programs that are great at teaching technical skills have their weaknesses, too. that's true of every field of study. not every lawyer went to a "top 10" law school. not every physician went to a "top 10" med school ... etc ... etc ... etc.

i agree completely. where i went to school there were 4 nursing schools in close proximity. one was a diploma school, one an adn, and the other two bsns. needless to say, clinicals were interesting because you never knew when you were going to meet up with the "competition." additionally, i was a pct at a hospital that had clinical times for 3 of the schools. i saw quite a bit of difference in the teaching styles, learning styles, and assignments for each. i was lucky because my class was relatively small, and we had more individual attention from our instructor (4 students to 1 instructor). contrast that to one of the other schools where it was more of 25 to 1! it really does make a difference. i was pretty shocked when one of the school's instructors would not assign patients to their students individually, but in doubles....i mean, since when does a patient have 2 nurses??? these were not first year students, either. i later found out that the other bsn school did not assign patient care until their junior year! i had two med/surg patients at a time by the end of my sophomore year. that doesn't sound like much to experienced m/s nurses, but when you're a sophomore nursing student, its a challenge! :chuckle

Glad it's not just me! I didn't have 1 preceptor I had 10. Some were great and some where horrible. I had 1 who gave me her 5 patients and sat at the nurses station and talked on the phone. When I aked her for help she replied "you have to learn to do it yourself". I grad from ADN and was skill ok. I also had an awesome preceptor through our school program (we had to have 120 hr of preceptor hrs before I could graduate. She shadowed me and asked me what she could do to help me out. She was excellent and I had a lot of skills.) My first day out of orientation I worked 3-11 and shift I had never touched, I was in charge of the floor with 6 patients. 1 developing pulmonary edema, 2 needing blood, 1 chemo with 8 antibiotics to hang, and a fresh post op angiogram, and an er at the same time. I was overwhelmed!! I ended up finishing up everything at 3 am. 1 of the other nurses helped with assessments and another took 1 of my bloods. Did I mention their patients were fine? I was on the phone with a doc all night calling about my pulm edema lady, and found out she had a k level of 2.3 and bolused her k. I went home and cried. I called my supervisor and told her I quit. She already heard about my night and so had the whole hospital. She and my manager told me that was an overwhelming load for and nurse and hand picked my patients the next night I worked and personally called me and gave me their home numbers. I now work nights and in charge a lot. I've had several bad nights, but the experience has made me stronger for it. I am now transferring to CCU per supervisor request!!! Hang in there. As for the adn vs bsn vs lpn. We all work as a team. Our BSN students nurse's quit. BSN is a great program, they don't generally get the skills adn does, but adn are not as skilled as lpn! Each bring to the table their own personality and experience and you can learn from each one. If they'll teach you!!

To the OP: good for you, for seeking out a position that will challenge and teach you. Hang in there!

Just a general comment:

I find that there is less case management and more clinical skills performed on night shift. No IV therapy team after ten at our hospital. Many preps for procedures are started on the noc shift. More responsibility, too, as there aren't 40 thousand people to ask questions of. I love it.

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