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Hi Vicky,
I'd love to know your thoughts about this. I just finished an RN Program and several months ago one of our Instructors wanted to know what our class thought about the possibility of being responsible for an unlicensed person giving out medications to our patients after only 24 hours of training - we all said "NO Way"....
We've spent the last few years in school with a large majority of the time being spent on learning to assess our patients - this includes assessments before, during and after Med. Admin. - looking for possible problems, side effects, etc, plus learning all about hundreds of meds.... One of the big "no no's" we were taught is - never have another Nurse give meds. that you're responsible for because if something happens - we're ultimately responsible.
The entire class agreed 100% that we've all worked too hard for this to jeopardize our licenses letting med techs. hand out meds. I heard that one of the reasons the NCBON is doing this is to "free up" the Nurse to do other things, but when you're working on a floor - one of your biggest responsibilities is Med. Administration, even CNA's with 20 years experience aren't allowed to do this - why on earth would they let someone with no more than a few hours of training do this job?
Obviously it doesn't take much training to teach someone to hand a pt. a pill, give an injection, etc. - but what's missing is the assessment that the Nurse does before she gives any of these meds out. I've heard that there are already Techs. doing this in Nursing Homes - not that I agree with it, but usually the patients there are stable and only getting meds that they'd take themselves at home. In a hospital where you're dealing with unstable, critically ill patients - it makes absolutely no sense. And, if another person will be giving out Meds. we're responsible for - it's not really freeing up our time, it's actually making our job harder because we'll have to keep checking up after them.
After a couple of semesters, we could pull our patients meds without an Instructor watching, but for the entire 2 years of school - we weren't allowed to give any meds until we had verbalized to the Instructor what each one was for, what precautions to take, side effects, etc. and could never, ever give anything until they had initialed the MAR - giving a med without her consent was grounds for dismissal from school.
Several of my classmates were wondering - if they're allowed to do this - what was the point of us going to school for several long years at school, having hundreds of hours of clinicals, etc. - if they're going to let someone with 24 hours of training do the most important part of our job???
As you can tell, I really have a problem with this and wanted to know yours and others opinions about this.
Hi Vicky,I'd love to know your thoughts about this. I just finished an RN Program and several months ago one of our Instructors wanted to know what our class thought about the possibility of being responsible for an unlicensed person giving out medications to our patients after only 24 hours of training - we all said "NO Way"....
We've spent the last few years in school with a large majority of the time being spent on learning to assess our patients - this includes assessments before, during and after Med. Admin. - looking for possible problems, side effects, etc, plus learning all about hundreds of meds.... One of the big "no no's" we were taught is - never have another Nurse give meds. that you're responsible for because if something happens - we're ultimately responsible.
The entire class agreed 100% that we've all worked too hard for this to jeopardize our licenses letting med techs. hand out meds. I heard that one of the reasons the NCBON is doing this is to "free up" the Nurse to do other things, but when you're working on a floor - one of your biggest responsibilities is Med. Administration, even CNA's with 20 years experience aren't allowed to do this - why on earth would they let someone with no more than a few hours of training do this job?
Obviously it doesn't take much training to teach someone to hand a pt. a pill, give an injection, etc. - but what's missing is the assessment that the Nurse does before she gives any of these meds out. I've heard that there are already Techs. doing this in Nursing Homes - not that I agree with it, but usually the patients there are stable and only getting meds that they'd take themselves at home. In a hospital where you're dealing with unstable, critically ill patients - it makes absolutely no sense. And, if another person will be giving out Meds. we're responsible for - it's not really freeing up our time, it's actually making our job harder because we'll have to keep checking up after them.
After a couple of semesters, we could pull our patients meds without an Instructor watching, but for the entire 2 years of school - we weren't allowed to give any meds until we had verbalized to the Instructor what each one was for, what precautions to take, side effects, etc. and could never, ever give anything until they had initialed the MAR - giving a med without her consent was grounds for dismissal from school.
Several of my classmates were wondering - if they're allowed to do this - what was the point of us going to school for several long years at school, having hundreds of hours of clinicals, etc. - if they're going to let someone with 24 hours of training do the most important part of our job???
As you can tell, I really have a problem with this and wanted to know yours and others opinions about this.
I thoroughly agree with you, Susan. Here are some posts which sum up my thoughts very well:
https://allnurses.com/forums/1128881-post6.html
Hi Vicky,
I was almost afraid I was way off base with my opinion, glad to hear you feel the same way. I'm graduating this Friday on the 19th, so I can't show up for the hearing, but would if I could. Could you please either post to this board or send me a pm to let me know what they decide?
One of our Instructors frequently told us to get involved with Nursing Organizations once we get our license and make our voice heard. In your opinion, which would be the best ones to join, especially here in NC. I'm going to post something about this to the Student Nurse Board that I've belonged to for the last few years just to see what others think. Thank You, Susan
Hi Vicky,I was almost afraid I was way off base with my opinion, glad to hear you feel the same way. I'm graduating this Friday on the 19th, so I can't show up for the hearing, but would if I could. Could you please either post to this board or send me a pm to let me know what they decide?
One of our Instructors frequently told us to get involved with Nursing Organizations once we get our license and make our voice heard. In your opinion, which would be the best ones to join, especially here in NC. I'm going to post something about this to the Student Nurse Board that I've belonged to for the last few years just to see what others think. Thank You, Susan
Don't have any information yet about what occurred in this meeting. Will post when I find out. Official minutes from the board site are posted here: https://www.ncbon.com/about-boardmtgminutes.asp (This usually takes several weeks to months.)
The only professional nursing organization in the state is the NCNA. From all accounts, the NCNA was strangely silent concerning the Medication Aide. In fact, the NCNA actually supported the Medication Aide initiative (See 2006 NCNA Legislative, Regulatory, and Political Platform, "Promulgates other recommendations of the NC Institute of Medicine Task Force on the Nursing Workforce.").
Despite the fact that it struck out concerning the Medication Aide, the NCNA has done much to advance the profession of nursing across the state and there are many benefits in becoming a member.
VickyRN, MSN, DNP, RN
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A public hearing concerning the controversial Medication Aide (21 NCAC 36 .0403 and 21 NCAC 36.0406) will be held at the Board of Nursing on May 19th.
OPEN COMMENT PERIOD (8:35 am – 8:55 am)
Opportunity for members of the public to bring issues of concern to the Board but not to testify regarding rules to be heard at Public Hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING (1:00 – 1:45 pm)
Opportunity for formal comment on proposed rules revisions
21 NCAC 36 .0403 QUALIFICATIONS
21 NCAC 36 .0406 Medication Aide Training Requirements
http://www.ncbon.com/forms/BoardMtgAgenda.pdf
21 NCAC 36 .0403 is proposed to be amended as follows....
http://www.ncbon.com/forms/Rule403Proposed.doc
21 NCAC 36.0406MEDICATION AIDE TRAINING REQUIREMENTS
History Note: Authority G.S. 90-171.56; G.S. 131E-114.2; G.S. 131E-270. Eff. July 1, 2006.
http://www.ncbon.com/forms/Rule406Proposed.doc
http://www.ncbon.com/education-factsheet.asp
The licensed nurse on duty remains accountable for any adverse events that may occur with medication administration involving the medication aides:
http://www.ncbon.com/forms/Interface%20between%20Licensed%20Nurse%20and%20Med%20Aide.pdf