Dumb IVPB question

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Hi Nurses! I was hoping someone could help with a discussion we were having at work yesterday. We were discussing different ways to run in IV meds, specifically IVIG. Sometimes we piggyback things into the main line after the pump, so that the main fluid runs with the piggyback (example: a K-rider). But one of the RNs had to hang IVIG (a blood product). We looked up our policy on it, and it said to "piggyback it into a D5W bag" and run it through a pump. To me, that meant to hang it like a regular piggyback and to use short piggyback tubing...you can always stop the piggyback and switch back to the main fluid if there is a reaction or something. When we went in to hang it, the pump was still set up from the dose the day before. They had the D5 on the pump and had used long tubing to hook the IVIG in after the pump. That was wrong to me. If you are going to do it like that, it should have been the IVIG in the pump and the d5 hooked into that one, not the other way around. So I guess I'm asking for your opinion...would you have used short or long tubing on this one and why? My thought was short because when I hang blood, we switch the 0.9 off and just let the blood run in, and since IVIG is a blood product, it only made sense to me to do it the same way. I do a lot of blood and platelets, and some FFP, but not much IVIG, so I don't really even remember what I did last time. I hope this even makes enough sense for someone to be able to respond, lol!

Specializes in CCRN, TNCC SRNA.
[color=#483d8b]we hang it by itself, via a "stepped" infusion rate, with at bag of ns available in case of reaction

we do it this way also.

that is what we do it too. (shrugs)

Specializes in ER, ICU, Infusion, peds, informatics.
the reaction thing makes sense, but it doesn't seem like there would be more than a couple of cc's difference that way...the way she was acting it seemed like something much more serious than that, and i was worried that i was doing something wrong. thanks again, all!

then my guess is that this is just how she was taught. as you know, people often have reactions to ivig. the person administering it needs to be knowledgeable and prudent. she probably learned that this was "the way" to do it.

the first hospital i worked at after nursing school always ran blood on a pump. to not use a pump was considered a med error. the hospital i went to next never used a pump. the blood tubing wouldn't fit in the pump, and the pump functioned in such a way that it would have crushed the rbcs. the next hosptial i went to it was our choice. blood bank distributed both pump and non-pump tubing for use with the blood, you just told the person picking up the blood what type of tubing you wanted. they used to have the type of pump that crushed red cells, but switched, and it is now safe to use a pump to infuse blood. we had one nurse who had been taught at this hospital's ns, and it had been drilled into their heads to never run blood on a pump. she got upset about it every time she saw it. we couldn't convince her it was safe.

maybe it is the same kind of thing with your coworker? she was taught the "one and only" correct way to infuse ivig, and nothing is going to change her mind?

I'm confused....why are they using D5W with the IVIG instead of 0.9 NS anyways? I am in a Critical Care class right now and they said that D5W actually works hypotensively since the dextrose metabolizes so quickly. I dont understand why they are putting a hypotensive solution with a blood prouduct... please help me understand

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Specializes in CCRN, TNCC SRNA.
I'm confused....why are they using D5W with the IVIG instead of 0.9 NS anyways? I am in a Critical Care class right now and they said that D5W actually works hypotensively since the dextrose metabolizes so quickly. I dont understand why they are putting a hypotensive solution with a blood prouduct... please help me understand

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I was wondering that too. I didnt think that sounded right, but then it may be a facility policy thing

Specializes in ER, ICU, Infusion, peds, informatics.
i'm confused....why are they using d5w with the ivig instead of 0.9 ns anyways? i am in a critical care class right now and they said that d5w actually works hypotensively since the dextrose metabolizes so quickly. i dont understand why they are putting a hypotensive solution with a blood prouduct... please help me understand

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ivig comes from different manufacturers. even though it is a blood product, different "brands" can be very different. we have one patient that has to have "gammagard." she reacts to all other brands. most likely, these differences are due to processing differences. at any rate, some manufacturers recommend d5w, some recommend ns. the manufacturer tests their products before making these recomendations, so they know best what their product should be infused with.

keep in mind that while ivig is derived from blood, it does not have any blood cells in it, and giving it is not the same as "hanging blood." no t/s/crossmatch needed.

also, while d5w can cause fluid shifts that will lead to hypotension, this doesn't hapen every time d5w is infused.

We also premedicate with Tylenol and Benadryl.

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