Uncontrolled DMI, when is patient "in trouble"

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I'm a new RN, and new to home health. I'm doing shift work (spent 8 hours with the patient over night). Mom does all care during the day. I'm in the home 2 nights a week. I'm looking for someone with more experience for input on whether this is "normal" or common in the disease process. Short and sweet:

12Y old male, DMI, gets Novolog insulin by insulin pump using a bolus wizard. Manual dose calculations for meals inputted by Mom. On TPN and Lipids at night, also initiated by Mom infusing to a CVC.

Mom is Spanish-speaking only, kid's bilingual. Spoke to the RN case manager on the case who states she had him for almost a year and he was just as poorly controlled as he is now. Over 600 and into the 800's several times in a month (or even in the same week). Full time RN on the case states same. Also had a history of hypoglycemia between 0400 and 0600 for previous RN's down into the 30-50 range. I've read about the dawn phenomenon and wonder if this is what has occurred - though the patient never had rebound hyperglycemia?

It just seems like I'm missing the "whole picture" ... The other RN seems so unconcerned. And when he went to over 600 with the other RN the night before I came on, she brought Mom in to give insulin (as the pump won't deliver on a BG that high). But didn't document an MD call or follow up ... Or even that she had Mom check for ketones. Am I not understanding something? Am I overreacting? Do patients have Diabetes that is this poorly controlled without ramifications to their future health?

Thank you for any and all input. I know we "newbies" often miss the clinical picture.

Specializes in Infectious Disease, Neuro, Research.
Also, for some people Novolog just doesn't work--not sure about his health insurance but it might helpful to suggest switching the insulin to Humalog or Apidra (which a lot of people haven't heard of).

Its funny that you mention that. Functionally (carb-insulin ratio) I've never had a problem, but when switching from Novolog from Humalog, I'll have 3-7 days when I feel hung-over. No measurable BS changes, but it definitely "feels" different.

Its funny that you mention that. Functionally (carb-insulin ratio) I've never had a problem, but when switching from Novolog from Humalog, I'll have 3-7 days when I feel hung-over. No measurable BS changes, but it definitely "feels" different.

I kind of figured there would be no difference, but friends have said how great it is switching specifically to and from Apidra, you're the first person that has mentioned feeling differently. Very interesting! They've all said that Apidra doesn't act faster than Novolog or Humalog but it just works "better." Have you noticed a difference with Lantus/Levemir? I've also heard that Lantus "works better."

Specializes in Infectious Disease, Neuro, Research.
I kind of figured there would be no difference, but friends have said how great it is switching specifically to and from Apidra, you're the first person that has mentioned feeling differently. Very interesting! They've all said that Apidra doesn't act faster than Novolog or Humalog but it just works "better." Have you noticed a difference with Lantus/Levemir? I've also heard that Lantus "works better."

I've been on the pump for about 8 years, and never had experience with Levemir. I did note that I had to be pretty much dead-on, administering @ the same time every day, with Lantus. Early or late wiould give a noticible peak or trough.

I'd be curious as to exactly what constitutes "better" with Apidra. If it somehow bridged the gap between the ultra-fast 45 minute, and the short-acting +/-4 hours, in a more graduated fashion, that would interest me...

Has he recently had a growth spurt/weight gain, but still on the "old' dose????

Specializes in Thoracic Cardiovasc ICU Med-Surg.
Has he recently had a growth spurt/weight gain, but still on the "old' dose????

This is a really good point. Children going through puberty may need 30% more insulin at times, due to hormonal changes. Also the comments about making sure pump sites get changed prn/Q3days, and being assessed for occlusions.

My daughter has type1 and does not pump, but her best friend does. Counting ALL carbs is essential as is strict adherence with the regimen. Hopefully this young person has a good endocrinologist. I am thinking good thoughts at the OP and patient.

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