What is your attrition rate?

brown76 · Jul 28, 2008

traditionally by making entrance requirements so difficult only the best of the best have the passion drive and superior academic intellect to get into an anesthesia program resulting in a very professional intelligent competent CRNA w/c does not make their students meet the pre-reqs even though they list them. Also by running several classes these students are given the opportunity to repeat instead of failing clinicals or didatics. Which is great for them. For those of us who did it right it is hard to watch. I cant imagine what the grades must have been to get dropped. Maybe lack of payment

GPSRNA · Jul 29, 2008

Brown 76,

I have heard that some schools will drop and/or hold back students that don't do well on the SEE exam in order to make their certification pass rates look good. Is this a reason for the high attrition rate at WC or is it just the usual stuff causing people to drop/fail?? Some people just aren't ready or don't realize the amount of time needed to succeed in CRNA school. This stuff is no joke.

brown76 · Jul 30, 2008

GPSRNA;

From what ive heard If you dont do well on the SEE you wont necessarily bomb the certification exam but if you do pass the SEE it's pretty much a guarantee (not 100% of course) that you will pass the certification exam. So the SEE is a red flag for the school and student that a student isnt as prepared as they should be and I think the school has an obligation to the reputation of the school and to that student to fix it before its too late. There were a couple SRNAs in my class who were doing well clinically and academically but they bombed the SEE and were put on probation. They both passed their certification. As far as WC goes they accept everybody and not everybody can do it. WC may let them keep having do-overs but a patient having a problem isnt going to have the option of letting them have a do-over! scarry hugh? :eek:

poppy07 · Jul 30, 2008

What school is WC?

BUTTERFLY SRNA · Jul 31, 2008

I went to a school in the South but dropped out b/c of too much pressure.

The professors seemed burned out, without any real patience to teach.

5 out of 60 students have left because of grades, not because of personal reasons. The coursework is doable and is not at all that bad. It's the way they set you up to fail. The school must have forgotten that the bottom line is: the student who drops out is ultimately THE ONE WHO WILL PAY THE TUITION. It is unthinkable that these professors who make it so hard were once RNs. They pride themselves in keeping only 'the best & the brightest'. It's more of intimidation and lack of consideration. We used to joke around in class that it's nothing more than a bootcamp, like a reality TV show and sadly, from their perspective, someone has to be booted out.

Very very inconsiderate. I guess there are teachers out there that are the bullies we see in nursing. They have no concept of family and monetary sacrifices made by students. They are so numbers-oriented, it's a shame!!

It's got to change---SOON! The case of why do the older nurses eat up our young is very much alive in Nurse Anesthesia. We should hold ourselves up and be as professional and nurturing of our own kind, like the MDs.

GPSRNA · Aug 1, 2008

Butterfly,

Sorry to hear that you dropped out of CRNA school, it is a great sacrifice both financially and emotionally. You mention that "They pride themselves in keeping only 'the best & the brightest'." Well, as far as I'm concerned CRNA's are the best and brigthest of the nursing ranks, so they SHOULD be keeping only the best and brightest.

Unfortunately I have read some of your other post, I wish I hadn't because they sound very racist to me. You say that "The coursework is doable and is not at all that bad." However, your other post essentially accuse the "white" students of having some kind of unfair advantage as far as class notes and what not. If the coursework is not that bad you shouldn't need any help...with the right amt of studying you should be good, right! I have not recieved any of those advantages you speak of and thankfully I have done well. But I'm not hoping, praying, wishing, or cheating my way thru it, I put in some serious (I mean serious) hours of studying.

So, back to the point. I don't know you or your school, you may be accurate in your description. However, in my program 3 qualified black candidates were interviewed and all 3 were accepted. None have failed out and none seem to be getting hazed or bullied. If you are confident that this is going on perhaps the accrediting agencies would be interested. Good luck

browneyes39401 · May 20, 2009

I am proud to say that my program's attrition rate is ~8% and this was reported by the COA during their visit a month ago for accreditation. And remember that COA's definition of attrition is defined as any student that did not graduate with his/her cohort, it does not mean that these individuals did not ultimately graduate and certify.

C-DIFF PHIL RN · May 22, 2009

hey brown eyes how you like the utmemphis program, and is it going to the doctrate route soon?

browneyes39401 · May 22, 2009

I am one week out from finishing my first year (didactic), and in retrospect it was harder than i expected but I have really enjoyed it. There are parts that I like better than others (like Anes related classes/don't favor research/stats classes). The mass volume of information is the most difficult part to get accustom to; its all do-able individually, but together it is definitely more challenging than anything I had done previously.

In regard to the Doctorate--- It is the best kept secret!!! I am so envious that students behind me will have a doctorate in almost the same amount of time it took me to get my masters. Where I will have to go an additional 18+ months to accomplish this, they will be able to have a doctorate with an extra 6 months. Where we will have to have 20 graduate hours of classes a semester (an insane course load), they will have a maximum of ~14/15 hrs at any one time. Plus courses that were once taught by MSN instructors will be taught by Anes. instructors (major + IMO).

Anyway, I see you are from MS, and I am sure you are aware that UT drops out-of-state tuition for MS residents, so the additional benefit for you (and I) is that my tuition was only around 5K a year, instead of 2-3x that.

C-DIFF PHIL RN · May 25, 2009

well im shopping around for a program that i can get into that only requires me to complete the regular graduate level anesthesia course, i'm not interested in doctorate. so it looks as if ut-memphis is off my list.