Lost my first nursing job... now how do I find another? - page 4

Hi friends out in nursing land... I just joined to see if anyone might read my insane tale of nursing woe and have some seasoned advice... I'm a 2011 BSN graduate who held out for his dream position and eventually found it. I... Read More

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    I still have to question, where is managment's judgment in hiring a new grad vs a nurse with experience into a night shift position alone? If health care is a business, wouldn't it be good business practice to avert law suits than to make poor decisions and creats situations that would bring them on. It would be my guess that the manager would have some input into the qualifications they were seeking in a candidate to fill such an autonomous spot. Let's face it- on the night shift the nurse has to be very autonomous and very sure of their clniical skills and professional judgement and accomplished in both. That doesn't sound like new grad to me unless that new grad had an experienced nurse working along with them I worked night shift for many years. In both a University hospital setting and a community hospital setting. I know the level of autonomy it is, the self assuridness in ones skill and judgement it takes, and the lack of resources available on night shift unless one is in a large university hospital; even then, residents are just that- residents, and many times, the nurses know more then they do. I once heard a nurse older than I was at the time and more experienced say- "nurses teach the residents medicine". That is very true. It is not a place for a new grad alone and I think the manager should have known this and has more input into what skill level was needed for the position.

    I think there is more to this than just a new grad put into the wrong position. I am willing to be it was one of the other reasons you mentioned- a JACHO inspection time and there was a need to put a body into the position just to satisfy requirements. There was a underhanded reason why the new grad was promised an alternative and but then on the fly underhandely shisted out of their job. The new grad was put there to save someone's buttocks temporarily and once that need disapated, so did the new grad. Which is why, I think this new grad should go to unemployment and speak to a labor investigator. The investigator makes the determination if it is a violation, not the hospital.
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    Very interesting comments to my post. So to answer you, yes, I knew about the possibility that my manager might not keep me on about a month before she actually told me it wasn't going to work out. She talked with me the first time, told me she was going to give me two more weeks (4 shifts on my part-time schedule) to get better, and I had better do it fast. She wasn't mean about it. But I sure did try hard. I was very proud of myself. And my coworkers had a lot of praise for me. By the end of the two weeks, we talked on the phone and she said she was still on the fence but that as along as I continued to improve like I had been doing, she had no reason to let me go. She said she wanted me to succeed.

    I will tell you, there are about three other people on this unit who started there as new grads. And they were successful. So I guess it CAN be done. But at the same time, she put me on full-time my first 14 weeks as I worked with my preceptor, but then when I went on my own, I was put down to part-time, which is what I was hired for. At the same time, I started in March. The end of RSV season (should just be called respiratory season for kids. haha) So it was busy for my first few weeks. Then the census just dwindled down to nothing until about the time of my first talk with my boss in August. So I really didn't get that much experience. Especially with only being there two days a week. And several of my coworkers thought it was crazy that I was only part-time, since that extra 12 hours can really make a difference.

    And I agree, expecting me to be able to be on my own at night after only 6 months experience is crazy. Maybe I should have questioned that in the beginning, but hey, I'm new at all this.

    And YES! JACHO came to our hospital only a few weeks after I started.

    Now the lovely hospital nursing supervisor who loved me so much (sarcasm) and wanted to have more shifts on Peds is now picking up shifts to fill in the spaces I left. And my ex-manager has a job posting for a new grad position, FULL-TIME.

    Joy. Well, I have learned that I need to be cautious about any manager or anyone willing to "help me succeed" It's okay to let people help you, but at the same time, be cautious about it. That's so sad.

    And now I have a job interview at a nursing home tomorrow. Total other end of the spectrum for me. But they do pay more than the hospital, and it's a full-time job. Wish me luck!
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    Silverbird, It is a shame the way some facilities use and manipulate people to their own end, but there really isn't a great deal you can do about it, unless you want to earn a reputation for filing law suits against Hospitals, and then unless you get a very healthy settlement that makes up for your wages, it isn't usually worthwhile, because you will end up getting blackballed, and no one will hire you. Hospitals can afford to hire the best attorney's, they have all of the documentation you created, as well as their own and can make up stuff as they go along, and don't think they won't do it. Most of the time it is best to simply write it off, and move on. Chances are, you aren't going to find any witnesses for your side, because as soon as they become known to the Hospital, they will be given the option to either not be a witness for you or quit their job, guess which one they will take, 9 times out of 10. They can't afford to be out of work, any more than you can.

    Good luck with your job interview tomorrow, you may find you enjoy the new position far more than you did the old, and with more money to boot...
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    The alternative to the lawsuit would be to write a letter to JCAHO giving details of the insident and what is suspected, hiring to fill a position to use a warm body for a survey prop and dismissing them post hast when the survey was completed. If that is done enough maybe facilities will think twice about "hiring under false pretenses" which this insident should also be reported to the dept of labor- who does the investigating and punnitive action without cost to the complaintant.
    The dept of labor frowns upon hiring people under false pretenses as it does "hiding employment opportunities" which was explained to me by a unemployment investigator when I told her of my experience with a nursing agency who told me face to face when I went into thier office, they didn't have any positions and one recruiter in the back desk pulls out an opportunity from under a stack of papers and stated- "Would you be interested in this position?" That is hiding employment opportunites and I was advised by the investigator to report and given a phone number within the dept of labor of the division to report that to. A labor investigator I spoke with recently when I filed my Unemployment claim advised me to report a probationary termination to the EEOC, the result is: it has a docket and charge number and the facility is now under EEOC investigation- age and race discrimination and hostile work envirnment/retaliation. Are my morals and ethics changing- you bet they are. I will now write a letter of complaint and file a charge at the drop of a hat. I have no more loyalty to any employer and I am out for my self and my financial well being. If this is what it takes to stave off forclosure and the poor house- so be it. Nursing ethics now have little entry into this process.

    The longer I am on unemployment and speaking to these investigators, the more I am learning about the dirty dealings of the employer environment. The little things I thought that just annoyed and frustrated me in job searching, really are serious state labor violations for which the labor board goes after these employers. The labor dept takes this high unemplyment rate in this country very seriously, its too bad the employers and hiring managers don't. But that why we have depts of labor
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    I feel for you. Maybe that area what did you say it was pediatrics was not your bag. I know it will leave a sour taste in your mouth. You need to feel comfortable in any position you take. If you feel your preceptors were doing a good job then your anxiety maybe was self generated. I know making mistakes and being called out on them makes you even more nervous about making more errors. I think you are doing the right thing with resumes -dont lie tell the truth. I was recently accused of something I did not do and I had been at the job almost ten years. I was forced to resign and now that I look back it was probably for the good I was fast approaching burn out. I do not go into explict details on my resume but I stated the same thing you did. My accusations ran me into trouble with the State Boards and there was an investigation in which I was cleared. Dont let this get you down keep searching and keep your head up you will find the right job.
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    For all those ADNS out there whether you be a new grad or a seasoned nurse I suggest you go back to school for the BSN if you hope to have a job. It is to the point now where most hospitals will not even accept apps from ADNS-they want BSN preferred. It will not be long before it trickles into every enviroment including LTC. I am a former LPN who went back to school to get a Associate for my RN because of job situation in the 70's and 80's. I knew it wouldnt be long before hospitals stop using LPNS and they did. Now it is evident that they have stopped using RNs with an associate degree. The only reason why I got an associate instead of a BSN was the availability of where I lived there were no BSN programs and I did not have the time or money to attend a BSN program. The programs are readily assessable online. I suggest any ADN nurse to get the BSN. I suggest any nurse also get ACLs and PALs certification for hospital employment . Good luck
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    Here is what will work. First off, what happened to you is called self-fulfilling prophecy. Your own thoughts and feelings about yourself did you in. You have self-doubt, low-self esteem and expectation of impending disaster. You behave in such way, instead of challenging your negative thoughts you let them run rampant. This type of behavior usually happen to people who had very critical anxious upbringing. The thoughts and core beliefs that come to mind and spin in your head every waking moment are "I am going to screw up!", "she is watching me and thinking that I am an idiot", "People must know I look like I don't know anything"; " I will kill someone", "i am working in the best hospital in the world, and they don't know that I am an impostor", " I am surely going to get fired any moment". These types of thoughts spin around in your head all day, and unless you consciously put them to lie, they won't leave you alone and will influence your behavior. To do this you must write them down on paper. For example, when you tell yourself that you don't know anything, you can remind yourself that this is not a fact, you surely know how to handle the situation. and you don't have to be perfect. you have to be good enough, and I am sure you are, as if you were a good student, I am sure you know enough"
    This is a process, and if you do it consistently, you will improve in about a months. The key is to be consistent, and write this down every time. More on this in a book Mind over mood by Podesky. Also, PA is the state where Cognitive therapy was created by Dr. Aaron Beck. It deals with precisely this type of issues and has been proven work in every study over the last 50 years. Good luck!
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    Hi! Did you find a job now? I was terminated in skilled nursing facility 3 weeks ago because of, I can't even explain. All there was an accusation with no evidence to their statements, I am now struggling in looking for another job, it is very hard. Especially if the reason is termination. I am feeling a bit hopeless too.... I hope to hear from you.
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    I am sorry SugarPie, it is tough when one tries hard. I have yet to land my first job and I graduated one year ago.
    I think most here on allnurses will recommend not to put the job down on your resume. You were still within your trial period.
    Best wishes.
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    Hi, I just lost mine as well , I too have anxiety issues that needs to be dealt with I am devastated about the whole situation ... I am going back to school to finish my last year of BSN, I was to foolish to have not worked right away after I finished my college degree nursing cause I wanted to concentrate in passing my licence exam which I did, than I right away started my first year of BSN. The studies went well (knock on wood), but the problem is that I have lost my bedside nursing skills and when I hired to work this summer it showed that I lacked confidence and skills on my techniques... therefore I was terminated. I feel so depressed and disappointed at myself. My confidence level is so low right now. I somehow feel ashamed that although I was succeeding in school I can`t seem to succeed in the work environment. School starts in two weeks, I recently got a call for a possible job position at another hospital, I hope they will call back for an interview. I didn`t put in my previous job since i didnt pass the probation period so I don't think that you can even count that as experience. For now I'm reviewing my notes, reading books.... watching videos on youtube on how to perform certain techniques.. I really want to improve. I want to be better at my next job and hopefully have better confidence.
    I wanted to know how you are doing now, If you got through this situation?
    I wish you all the best, Don't give up .. Never give up

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