was i out of line with this resident?

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I've been caring for an infant on PD recently. He's deteriorated to the point of intubation. Has been intubated since Sunday, hadn't required any sedation until yesterday, when he was coughing gagging, head-thrashing. I sent someone to ask the resident to come over and see the kid. 10 minutes later he showed up, took one glance at the kid and said he wouldn't order anything. I explained that the kid was intubated, lined within an inch of his life, getting PD cycles every hour and BOUND to be uncomfortable. He walked away from me.

Next time the kid woke up, I called him in again. He told me he'd order something the NEXT time it happened. Fine. I explained that the kid had gotten really hypotensive with morphine, suggested a benzo and asked for a very small dose. He again walked away.

I finally just called him over and asked him to write the order so we didn't have to risk our tube by finding him the next time the kid woke up. He looked at me and said "NO!" in a tone I wouldn't even use with a dog, and turned to walk away again. Honestly, my head nurse was sitting with her back to him, and I thought her jaw was going to hit the floor.

I said to him (quite firmly, I must say) "Excuse me, but that was extremely rude and you can NOT talk to me or any other human like that. Don't just say no to me without giving me some kind of rationale behind your answer." He hemmed and hawed and finally wrote the order.

Sorry that was long, but here's my question- my extern was sitting there and heard the whole thing. She thought I was rude to the resident and shouldn't have reacted so strongly. Was I out of line? Maybe it's just me, but it felt more like advocating for my patient than being rude to a doc. Was it crazy to push for some sedation/analgesia for such a sick baby? And should I have let his rudeness slide and taken it as "just a part of the job"? How could I have handled this better?! I'm finally becoming secure enough in myself to be assertive, but I keep thinking I somehow missed the mark on this one. :o

I've been caring for an infant on PD recently. He's deteriorated to the point of intubation. Has been intubated since Sunday, hadn't required any sedation until yesterday, when he was coughing gagging, head-thrashing. I sent someone to ask the resident to come over and see the kid. 10 minutes later he showed up, took one glance at the kid and said he wouldn't order anything. I explained that the kid was intubated, lined within an inch of his life, getting PD cycles every hour and BOUND to be uncomfortable. He walked away from me.

Next time the kid woke up, I called him in again. He told me he'd order something the NEXT time it happened. Fine. I explained that the kid had gotten really hypotensive with morphine, suggested a benzo and asked for a very small dose. He again walked away.

I finally just called him over and asked him to write the order so we didn't have to risk our tube by finding him the next time the kid woke up. He looked at me and said "NO!" in a tone I wouldn't even use with a dog, and turned to walk away again. Honestly, my head nurse was sitting with her back to him, and I thought her jaw was going to hit the floor.

I said to him (quite firmly, I must say) "Excuse me, but that was extremely rude and you can NOT talk to me or any other human like that. Don't just say no to me without giving me some kind of rationale behind your answer." He hemmed and hawed and finally wrote the order.

Sorry that was long, but here's my question- my extern was sitting there and heard the whole thing. She thought I was rude to the resident and shouldn't have reacted so strongly. Was I out of line? Maybe it's just me, but it felt more like advocating for my patient than being rude to a doc. Was it crazy to push for some sedation/analgesia for such a sick baby? And should I have let his rudeness slide and taken it as "just a part of the job"? How could I have handled this better?! I'm finally becoming secure enough in myself to be assertive, but I keep thinking I somehow missed the mark on this one. :o

You were right and if I were a parent, I'd rather have you looking after my child than some nurse who would have just "taken it as part of the job". You should be proud of what you did for that child.

Specializes in PICU, CTICU, CT step-down.

No..absolutely not! The only thing I think I would have done differently is go up the chain of command and called the fellow or attending. Residents may not speak to you in such a way, it is ALWAYS unacceptable. As for your extern, I would have explained that it is our jobs to advocate for patient comfort and safety, and clearly the child you are speaking about was neither safe nor comfortable.

Specializes in Pediatric Intensive Care, Urgent Care.

dealt with perfectly! never ever allow disrespect!

Mex

You are a wonderful nurse. I have been a patient and have found my Drs at times less than interested in my comfort and dignity. I was able to advocate for myself, but your patient wasn't able to do so and you did.

Huggs

Emily

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