fundal checks - page 5
What is the protocol for fundal checks on c-section pts? As far as frequency goes?... Read More
Nov 6, '08Quote from OzMWHuh. Interesting. Our moms get mashed on at least 4 times (I think) in recovery. Gosh, now I have some food for though to take to work w/ me in a couple days.And just to add Elvish, our women don't get palpated in OT in recovery either. They are post op'ed by general nurses who aren't often mid trained. All very interesting!
Nov 6, '08Quote from ElvishYow...my uterus aches at the thought of it although in recovery they at least will still have some analgesia happening!Huh. Interesting. Our moms get mashed on at least 4 times (I think) in recovery. Gosh, now I have some food for though to take to work w/ me in a couple days.
Nov 7, '08Quote from OzMWPardon me, if I was unclear, please....I did not call it evidence. I called it what it was, anecdotal personal experience . But I will not stop doing fundal checks, and where indicated, massage on any postpartum patient. In my relatively short career (11 years), I have seen enough terrible pp bleeds not to change my practices any time soon. Also, I discussed this thread at work with my much-more experienced colleagues and the health care practicioners, all of whom agreed it was bad practice NOT to check fundi on post-op patients, as well as vaginally-delivered ones. They could not believe anyone was not doing so as a matter of practice.We will have to disagree SMBEs - my "anecdotal" evidence is the opposite.
Your woman still had the PPH; still needed transfusing- so did the fundal check prevent it from being nasty or did the drugs and the uterine massage do that? To me they are two separate issues; my point is that regular palpation (to check for "bogginess") of the uterine fundus doesn't prevent PPH; some people obviously believe it can add to picking it up earlier, but I think that's debatable. Now massaging a boggy fundus that is bleeding is a different story!!
And i agree it is better to pick something up before it gets too bad - not sure how well fundal checks do that though!
Simply put: I cannnot imagine how you know a fundus is boggy if you don't actually palpate it. There is no other way. And I won't chart what I cannot assess, as another member mentioned earlier in the thread.
As I said, I agree to disagree and will not argue with you any more. But I do have one question. Do you have studies you can point me to saying fundal checks on post-op patients are contra-indicated? I really may be missing something here, and would love to learn what I can here.
Anyhow, I wish you good night.
Nov 7, '08Quote from OzMWWe also do encourage early activity as well as skin-to-skin bonding and early breastfeeding. All of these things help the post op patient on the road to recovery faster. I think that is becoming common practice in most places in the USA. I have worked 4 different hospitals and we did this in all of them. I was breastfeeding my daughter 30 minutes after she was born by c/s. It was wonderful.And to add - not sure if this makes any difference. Most of our section babys come out to the ward with their mothers. So our women are encouraged to be fairly active from the word go. Not saying we expect them to get straight up of course! But they are often sitting up breasfeeding fairly soon so maybe that encourages the lochia to flow rather than pool??