Unions/Attitudes - page 5

:( I am a Clinical Educator and part of a large corp. hospital system. Over the last two yrs, there has been lots of Union activity in our area. Not all of it is at the corp I work for. There are... Read More

  1. by   chocolab
    I agreee Pam. Nursing is the only profession where we fight amongst each other.I have seen some ver UNPROFESSIONAL nurses with attitides and temperments that would get them fired anywhere else.Unfortunately these are the ones who USE the union to protect their jobs. Believe me, I'm prounion but there should be someway to get rid of the malcontents.
  2. by   kjnorris
    I think this move to unoins is a good thing but just like any elected posistion there is no garuantee that representation will occur effectively. If your not active, your voice is unheard and an unheard voice is a like a bacteria with an unlimited supply of food. It will eventually take over and destroy the host. Thus another nurse posistion opened.
    I have read alot of posts here i have been a steel worker for 12 years worked in rubber plants and steel mills alike in the rubber plant we had a strong unoin where the stewards talked regularly with management about safety. It wasn't all "how to do less for more" this attitude wasn't it, it is safety. I worked in a steel mill that fired people for getting injured with a union that would back that decision! (quit that job after seeing 3 people die on the job) In the hospital it is patient safety, staff safety and how to make our hospitals better. When people say unions take away from the manager/staff relationship they must realize unoins don't exist with out numbers. if there wasn't a lot of staff management issues there would be no unoin. The issue comes down to communication, the very thing nursing schools are stressing today. To communicate effectively will resolve alot of problems and unions are the only resort many of us have left.
    Be heard not herded!!
  3. by   franknurse
    Amen jt. I have seen nothing but good come from union involvement in my facility. I know that those who work in management don't see it that way. Why would management want the staff having any say in what would or could make the hospital a better workplace. I just think that having a contract that ensures better benefits and working conditions and a chance to work things out with management when problems arise is a good thing for all.
  4. by   n_babegurl
    I agree 100%, the administrater was the first one "let go" FIRED,in what occurred at a facility I was employed with. WE, "7 employees" were "let go" after 3 months of following the chain of command,as it goes ,your nurse, DON, Administ.,corperate office, then onbudsman, state,etc.. Finally we could no longer take the blame for pressure sores, falls,not enough documentation,wt. losses, losing clientale/patients!!When there is one Nurse and two CNA's to 44 pt's,things start to FALL apart,families get upset. Families try to help,but get tired of seeing their loved ones not getting the care they deserve.We,I geuss you call it "Whistle Blowing" did something we will live with the rest of our livies. We spoke to the media ,during our break while on the job.We had no other choice, the so called chain of command is a joke!! I've been in LTC for 8 yrs. and everywhere you go its ths same answer we get about staffing issues ," ITS NOT IN THE BUDGET"The goverment/and ,or company will not allows us to staff that many.Bet the Adm. wished she would've listened.Upon firing us that day on camara the United Steelworkers of america got in touch with us and immediately filed charges against this facility for unfair labor laws.Well it's been 2 yrs. Jan. 14 , they lost two campaigns to get union in facility.But it has not been good for me or my family WE have suffered, I went a little over a year without work ,basically being Blackballed.No one wanted to hire me ,cause they were afraid I would try getting the Union in they're facility or that I would let them know the rights they all have but don't realize.I had to move but it was still with me. cause I had to give references,and I had worked there 3 different times.I finally had to just not mention it when appl.or interveiwing. So not mentioning it is not really lying ,is it? Anyway we have won the case twice but the company is very large (in the top 4) in US.they have good "UNIONBUSTER LAWYERS" but we have the GOVERMENT,(NLRB).There isnt to many who beat the GOV.. I am now due over $80000.00 in backwages,which is not going to makeup for lost time giving good pt. care that I had to offer nor the pain and suffering my family had to deal with, by going from $37000.00 a year to $1650 a year. The shame it made me feel whenever I was not excepted at a job.See this had NOTHING to do with the Union , they just contacted us after we were fired. then of course they wanted to start A UNION CAMPAIGN.It was about the care we could not provide to these pt.'s and families,cause enough staff would not fit in their budget.The fall/blame we were being tagged with,when we had breakdown. These are humans these or Mothers, Fathers,Sister these are going to be you and me someday.Dignity is supposed to be such a big issue now,well laying in feces or urine for any amt of time fits that description.getting a cold tray of food,not getting a shower or bath dly!!!Daycare workers from what I hear have a ratio of 1 to 7 ,which would be a blessing.As we all know the elderly regress back into their childhood. so why aren't they treated equally??? any thoughts?? Yours Truely "Working on the Ledge"
    Last edit by n_babegurl on Feb 11, '06
  5. by   n_babegurl
    AMEN , Unity is the key word !! Alot of nurses don't know unless they have been involved in a Union Campaign.If one nurse complains or threatens to walk or not do a task . That ONE dont have a chance, get two or more an it's a Unity!!
  6. by   n_babegurl
    CRYING INSIDE BUT NOBODY HEARS ME? WHAT IF YOU WERE LAYING THERE UNABLE TO MOVE,UNABLE TO SPEAK,WET COLD,AND ALONE?CRYING INSIDE,BUT UNABLE TO SHED A TEAR. YOU SEE THEM ,WALKING UP AND DOWN THE HALLS,YOU HEAR THE SOUNDS OF OTHERSAND YETYOUR UNABLE TOSAY;HEY ,I'MHERE ,ALONE,UNABLETO TELL YOU THAT I NEED TURNEDOR MY CHESTHURTSOR MY LEG HURTS. WILL SOMEONE JUST STOP TAKE A MINUTE, PLEASE.I'M SO ALONEJUST A MINUTE OR TWO/TO SEE ME TO LOOK AT ME , TO SEE IF IM WET , COLD ,LONELY?JUST TELL ME YOU 'LOVE ME' ,JUST IN CASE I DONT HAVE ANYONE THAT SEE'S ME OR CHEAKS IN ON ME.JUST GIVE ME THE CARE I DESERVE.THE DIGINITY ANY ANY HUMAN SHOULD BE GIVEN.JUSTBECAUSE I CANT SPEAK OR MOVE DOENT MEAN I DONT DESERVE THESE THINGS.THE PERSON ACROSS THE HALL CAN TALKOR I SHOULD SAY YELL,PEOPLE STOP AND TALK TO HIM ALL THE TIME . HE'S STILL WET,YELLING,PEOPLE GO UP AND DOWN THE HALL GLANCING IN.DAY AFTER DAY. SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!! FACILITIES CONTINUE TO UNDERSTAFF. ACCORDING TO STATE GUIDELINES WE ARE STAFFED BUT,THE PT'S AND CAREGIVERS ARE PAYING THE PRICE. THIS IS HOW A STROKE VICTIM MIGHT POSSIABLE FEEL.NOBODY REALLY KNOWS?
  7. by   mark hamel
    [QUOTE=n_babegurl]I agree 100%, the administrater was the first one "let go" FIRED,in what occurred at a facility I was employed with. WE, "7 employees" were "let go" after 3 months of following the chain of command,as it goes ,your nurse, DON, Administ.,corperate office, then onbudsman, state,etc.. Finally we could no longer take the blame for pressure sores, falls,not enough documentation,wt. losses, losing clientale/patients!!When there is one Nurse and two CNA's to 44 pt's,things start to FALL apart,families get upset. Families try to help,but get tired of seeing their loved ones not getting the care they deserve.We,I geuss you call it "Whistle Blowing" did something we will live with the rest of our livies. We spoke to the media ,during our break while on the job.We had no other choice, the so called chain of command is a joke!! I've been in LTC for 8 yrs. and everywhere you go its ths same answer we get about staffing issues ," ITS NOT IN THE BUDGET"The goverment/and ,or company will not allows us to staff that many.Bet the Adm. wished she would've listened.Upon firing us that day on camara the United Steelworkers of america got in touch with us and immediately filed charges against this facility for unfair labor laws.Well it's been 2 yrs. Jan. 14 , they lost two campaigns to get union in facility.But it has not been good for me or my family WE have suffered, I went a little over a year without work ,basically being Blackballed.No one wanted to hire me ,cause they were afraid I would try getting the Union in they're facility or that I would let them know the rights they all have but don't realize.I had to move but it was still with me. cause I had to give references,and I had worked there 3 different times.I finally had to just not mention it when appl.or interveiwing. So not mentioning it is not really lying ,is it? Anyway we have won the case twice but the company is very large (in the top 4) in US.they have good "UNIONBUSTER LAWYERS" but we have the GOVERMENT,(NLRB).There isnt to many who beat the GOV.. I am now due over $80000.00 in backwages,which is not going to makeup for lost time giving good pt. care that I had to offer nor the pain and suffering my family had to deal with, by going from $37000.00 a year to $1650 a year. The shame it made me feel whenever I was not excepted at a job.See this had NOTHING to do with the Union , they just contacted us after we were fired. then of course they wanted to start A UNION CAMPAIGN.It was about the care we could not provide to these pt.'s and families,cause enough staff would not fit in their budget.The fall/blame we were being tagged with,when we had breakdown. These are humans these or Mothers, Fathers,Sister these are going to be you and me someday.Dignity is supposed to be such a big issue now,well laying in feces or urine for any amt of time fits that description.getting a cold tray of food,not getting a shower or bath dly!!!Daycare workers from what I hear have a ratio of 1 to 7 ,which would be a blessing.As we all know the elderly regress back into their childhood. so why aren't they treated equally??? any thoughts?? Yours Truely "Working on the Ledge"[/Q
  8. by   NurseKevin
    Quote from -jt
    the proof:

    NYSNA RNS DO IT AGAIN!!
    RNs at Columbia-Presbyterian Ratify Break-through Contract
    New York City, Dec. 21, 2001

    .
    Yeah, using union propaganda to support the position is wunderbar! Much like using a white house press release to support the presidents position...


    The thing that I hate about unions, well most everything actually, but in particular, is the support of the leftist-socialist movement. The corrupt canidates that they support are no better than the corrupt canidates that they oppose..

    I can think for myself thank you very much, and would much rather see my dollars go to a canididate that I support than one that I am vehemently opposed to.

    I think that I would rather opt in to politcal spending than have to opt out, and get a portion of my money back, because contrary to what the union thugs may think, I really do know more of what is better for me than they do...

    If they stuck to collective bargaining, ok, but they don't that is just a tool that they sucker people in with so that they can leech off of them, and then use the dues monies to promote whatever socialist agenda they want..
  9. by   grannynurse FNP student
    At different times, in my career, I have been represented by the NYSNA and the Florida Nurses Association. The representation of the NYSNA was a benefit for myself and the other nurses I worked with. The FNA was not. They gave me incorrect information and never backed me when I filed a grievance against. A grievance that was upheld. I would rather have a nurses association representing me then no respenstation at all. I've also had that and it is a disaster for employees.

    Grannynurse
  10. by   FIREDANCER1211
    The employer and employee relationship has deteriorated and I suspect both are lying to each other. Typically, I fault the employer for allowing the unions to get a foothold. If the adminstration wanted to keep the union activity out of their facility they should not have pushed the nurses to the point of seeking union representation.

    When adminstration pushes the staff to the point that union activities occur, the risk is that union activities occur !!

    The fault truly lies with adminstration, it is their failure. Unfortunately, it demostrates adminstration does not "know the staff and the needs of the staff". If they missed this and they did, they most likely are not intuitive enough to make corrections and resolve this issue.

    I'm sorry, if you are in management, I suspect you are in for a few bad months. Good Luck.

    Wow..couldn't have put it better myself!
  11. by   RN4MERCY
    Quote from franknurse
    Amen jt. I have seen nothing but good come from union involvement in my facility. I know that those who work in management don't see it that way. Why would management want the staff having any say in what would or could make the hospital a better workplace. I just think that having a contract that ensures better benefits and working conditions and a chance to work things out with management when problems arise is a good thing for all.

    Thank God, the secret's OUT! Now is the time for all good nurses to come to the aid of their country's broken healthcare system! ORGANIZE, EDUCATE, ADVOCATE and LEGISLATE!

    http://www.calnurses.org/media-cente...temID=27532127

    A Strong Voice for RNs and Patients
    The National Nurses Organizing Committee is a new national union and professional organization for Registered Nurses, Advance Practice Nurses, and RN organizations throughout the country who want to pursue a more powerful agenda of patient advocacy that promotes the interests of patients, direct care nurses, and RN professional practice.

    Chicago RNs, Healthcare Workers Announce New Campaign to Enact Key Staffing Bill to Protect Patients
    Chicago area registered nurses and other healthcare employees joined with state legislators Monday, January 27 to announce a major escalation in efforts to enact a critical bill to require minimum safe staffing standards in Illinois hospitals to protect patient safety that will also help to mitigate the nursing shortage.

    HB 2548, introduced by Rep. Mary Flowers would require minimum RN-to-patient staffing ratios for all hospital units and prohibit hospitals from retaliating against nurses who refuse to accept staffing assignments that jeopardize patient safety. A companion bill, SB 2270, has been introduced in the Senate by Sen. Iris Martinez.

    The bill is co-sponsored by the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees and the National Nurses Organizing Committee/California Nurses Association (NNOC/CNA). A coalition of community groups, including Citizen Action, is also supporting the bill.

    The bill is similar to a 1999 California law, sponsored by NNOC/CNA, that has enhanced care standards in California hospitals and helped produce a substantial increase in the number of RNs in that state.

    As in Illinois, California hospital corporations have opposed the law. But in November, after California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, due to public opposition, abandoned efforts to roll back the staffing law, state health department officials conceded that the bill is working and hospitals have been able to meet the staffing requirements.
  12. by   Simplepleasures
    Quote from veggie64
    Nurses are stretched so thinly due to the high staffing levels, it's a matter of self preservation to omit anything they can. A nurse on my unit was there til 10pm the other night just finishing her work (shift ends at 7pm). This is nurse who has been nursing for only 2 yrs, and is thinking of quitting because she is burned out by the stress. 2 years. This is exactly what I am talking about, that these business people in charge of healthcare are the ones who are CAUSING the nursing shortage. They must be stopped. They will never be stopped in their quest for higher profits if we don't stop them. And patients are dying because of their decisions. A new one is that patients have a right to fall. I have never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. When a pt is confused, they depend on the nurse to protect them. Now, they don't have the right to refuse treatment or to walk out of the hosptial, but they have the right to fall, get a subdural, and never be right again. A classic example of the idiots who are running healthcare today.
    And all I can say about the rumor of the union nurses refusing assignments is hogwash. They are filling our assignment despite objection forms, to document the unsafe staffing levels, and shift the responsiblity of poor care from their license to the hospital. I mean, if a patients dies from poor care, and the nurse has documented that he/she complained about unsafe staffing to their management, she is doing all she can to protect her license. Which, by the way is being put on the line everyday by the money hungry execs. To that educator, I say, go upstairs and talk to those nurses on the front lines. Then you will see exactly why we are facing a nursing shortage. It's the job GyspyRose, it's the job. Now, we must continue on our quest to improve it.
    In light of the thread that was posted by n-babegurl, titled "Abandonment and Short Staffing" , in the general forum,I though this thread was very apropo(sp).I know this is a hot subject but when I hear some nurses and their anti union sentiments ,I really wonder if they are just very lucky and have never been in the position of needing protection and a voice in their workplace.I know that some nurses have worked under a union that was worthless, ineffectual, but again I am perplexed that so many nurses would abandon the CONCEPT of a union because of this. These same nurses continue to complain about work conditions, patient safety issues, etc. but dont have an answere as to how we can improve the situation. I dont mean to critisize them for this confusion, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Why place your trust in the very same industry and their managemnet that has created this nightmare? There are strong unions out there and there are ways to get rid of weak unions.
    Last edit by Simplepleasures on Dec 2, '06
  13. by   franknurse
    You know it never ceases to amaze me how the times have changed in the world. Used to be you got a job in a facility and you could count on staying there for your entire career. Guess having coldhearted non- compassionate business people instead of caring nurses run things has changed all that. Looking at all these posts and being actively involved in The Nurse Alliance of SEIU has really awakened me . I really want to be able to go to work and just do my job, it would be a miracle if I could, but the way a typical day goes for me as my local president, that rarely happens.
    I know Unions are very politically minded but there are many times when a connection to politics is needed in order for necessary laws to be passed that affect all of us in our working environments. SEIU's involvement in my state has helped us get safe needle and ban on mandatory overtime legislature passed. I think that's some pretty important stuff regarding all of us.
    I have also spoken to nurses from all over the country in person and on the phone and realize that we all face the same or very similar problems and know that the only way to solve them is to organize and fight for what is important to us.
    I know I have a tendency to run off at the mouth but I also see a need here . We have to remember that the old days are over and no one is going to look out for us but US.

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