Should Healthcare Be Funded As A Basic Human Right? - page 9

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  1. Visit  wooh profile page
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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED

    But wooh, it is MUCH more than a few.
    It's not as many as you imagine it is. (But I'm sure imagining it's a lot calms your conscience.) So punishing those lazy you people imagine are lurking on every street corner is worth thumbing your nose at folks like PforP that can't afford insurance?
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  3. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    There are also people who through no fault of their own...done everything right....worked a good job, worked hard all their life, paid more that their fair share of taxes, and been a n upstanding citizen and employee that have fallen on hard times or been stricken with a debilitating/catastrophic disease who have lost their jobs, their insurance and now are "UN-insurable" and are denied insurance. Does this mean they don't "deserve" healthcare? That they are better left for dead and kicked to the side of the road as unworthy?

    There is a growing population of working poor, especially in suburban America, who bust their behinds..... working 2 and 3 mediocre jobs.....to give their family the best possible life..... that don't offer insurance because corporate greed is too cheap to lose their profit margin and simply cannot afford commercial insurance and make too much money to receive assistance, they simply don't qualify....that go to the emergency room for basic care because they can't be told "no you can't have an appointment because you don't have insurance" or cash up front before we will treat you. Who come to the ED because they are give an appointment 3 months down the road because that is the next medicare/medicaid appointment available.

    You never know when you will find yourself in that place..There but for the Grace of God go I.

    The system is completely broke...shattered into pieces. I know this personally these days.....I don't know if it can be fixed. Being ill has been....shall I say....enlightening, unpleasant, shocking, and disappointing. Words cannot express what I have experienced as a new chronic consumer (chronic being the key word). Appalling...and I have insurance....at least for now.

    But I also know that healthcare should not be doled out according to the ability to pay.....that only those who pay receive....for then we are deciding who lives and dies by their wallet....and that's not right....the first true of medicine is...Do No Harm.
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  4. Visit  texashyles profile page
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    Should Healthcare be a Basic Human Right? What about protection of property, finances, the ability to make and then bring home a decent wage? These rights are being trampled. The lack of checks and balances in the Medicaid system is putrid. I do not believe that people who can afford cigarettes, alcohol, street drugs, and other luxury items should be given food stamps and free cell phones. I do believe that monitoring of such behavior should be mandated to protect my rights. If abuse of the system were to be significantly decreased, programs such as education and job training assistance could and should be strongly advocated. Some people simply do not know how to become self-sustaining.
  5. Visit  Fuzzy profile page
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    The thing of it is, the dead beats area already covered. They know how to work the system. Unfortunately there are generations of them. People in low paying jobs cannot afford insurance and their employers do not even provide it. Ask the person at the convenience store; dog groomer; housekeeper; motel maid; waiter/waitress; etc. if they have health insurance. I can tell you that most will tell you no. Yet this people add a valuable service to the commuinty. Plus keep in mind that they want to work. Think about it, they could easily become one of the deat beats. All they would have to do is stop working and claim that they cannot be employed. Sadly some of them would probably bring home a larger "paycheck" if they weren't working.

    Fuzzy
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  6. Visit  DC Collins profile page
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    Quote from barbarake21
    I wish more Americans would realize we do not have the best health care system.
    I don't find waiting 16 hours in an ED (socialized) a better system. And we do have one of the most advanced / more equipment per capita systems in the world.

    Waiting several months for a CT because there are fewer machines per capita is, IMHO, *not* at better system, though yes, it is cheaper.

    Plus, the main reason so many other nations' citizens have longer life spans is because of better health *choices* made, not because of better health 'care'. Again, IMHO.

    DC :-)
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    Quote from Esme12
    Does this mean they don't "deserve" healthcare? That they are better left for dead and kicked to the side of the road as unworthy?

    ...snipped for brevity

    You never know when you will find yourself in that place..There but for the Grace of God go I.
    There is something to be said for working up good relationships with family and friends and community. People in the US are some of the most generous people on the planet. Asking for help is great! Getting it even better.

    *Stealing* the help, is immoral, whether or not the term 'government' is involved.

    DC :-)
  8. Visit  wooh profile page
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    Quote from DC Collins
    I don't find waiting 16 hours in an ED (socialized) a better system. And we do have one of the most advanced / more equipment per capita systems in the world.

    Waiting several months for a CT because there are fewer machines per capita is, IMHO, *not* at better system, though yes, it is cheaper.

    Plus, the main reason so many other nations' citizens have longer life spans is because of better health *choices* made, not because of better health 'care'. Again, IMHO.

    DC :-)
    Strange, I've waited over 16 hours in an ED. A couple months for testing. Longer for surgery. And that's here in the good ol' USA. And then I had great big bills after all was said and done. How is that better than socialized?
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  9. Visit  NRSKarenRN profile page
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    Nurses are mostly unaware that the largest percentage of Medicaid enrollee's are:
    #1: Children under age 18
    #2: Adults with Children under age 18
    #3: Disabled
    #4: Elderly over age 65


    Key Medicare and Medicaid Statistics - The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

    What Are the Medicaid Benefits?

    Medicaid is a joint federal-state program. Each state determines services it provides

    Federal Requirements
    The federal government requires each state to cover certain health-related benefits, known as mandatory benefits and include:

    • physician, nurse midwife, and nurse practitioner services
    • laboratory and x-ray services
    • inpatient and outpatient hospital services
    • early and periodic screening, diagnostic, and treatment (EPSDT) services for children, teens, and young adults under age 21
    • family planning services and supplies
    • services provided in community health centers and rural health clinics
    • nursing facility services for people age 21 and older

    State Options
    Each state can provide coverage for additional health-related services that are approved by the federal government. These so-called “optional” services may include:

    • prescription drugs
    • dental care
    • eye glasses and vision care
    • mental health services
    • home health services
    • case management
    • rehabilitation services such as physical therapy
    • hospice care

    In PA, state provides all options depending on eligibility requirements.

    2012 HHS Poverty Guidelines
  10. Visit  wooh profile page
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    Quote from DC Collins
    There is something to be said for working up good relationships with family and friends and community.
    Because people that can't afford their medical bills are usually living nextdoor to someone independently wealthy who can pay the bills for them.
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  11. Visit  HM-8404 profile page
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    Quote from BeagleBabe
    Our current system is idiotic, penny-wise and pound foolish. I am an unemployed, uninsured pre-nursing student. I could get COBRA from my old job at a cost of $545 a month. Since I am unemployed, I cannot pay that. I have applied for dozens of jobs, and no one is hiring. I don't qualify for medicaid (yet).

    We do have free healthcare. It's called the ER. I have gone to the ER and not paid for it. Instead, the taxpayers pay for it. It's not what I want to do, but what choice do I have? (I don't feel too bad about it, since I've paid taxes for years.) All our current system does is prevent preventative care. Instead, people like me wait until they are in dire straits, and then the taxpayers get to pay pounds to cure me, instead of pennies to prevent it.

    We are a dumb country!
    I would like to know what the difference is, in your opinion, between the taxpayers paying for your ER visit and the taxpayers paying for your health insurance. It seems it's a wash either way, since you cannot afford either the taxpayer will pick up the tab. I am not picking on you, just pointing out that the taxpayers will be paying for it in either case.
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  12. Visit  HM-8404 profile page
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    Quote from Pets to People
    How about we all take care of each other and stop worrying about how much it's going to cost us? Maybe then we wouldn't have children starving to death while we throw enormous amounts of food in the garbage, or people dying of diseases we have medicine/cures for simply because they can't afford it...

    What's really sad is that it is absolutely possible for there to be worldwide freedom from hunger, fear, poverty, most diseases and so on, but it will never happen because human beings are inherently selfish despite all those people who argue against evolution claiming that we are nothing like "monkeys" because of our higher intelligence, the most important of which is our ability to empatize, love and show compassion, yet we let our own people freeze to death on the street, let children starve to death, we fight with each over things that don't matter and it doesn't even have to be that way, we make it or allow it to be that way! But we can't change things because it's "too complicated", requires too much effort from us when we might have to miss the lates episode of American Idol or it might cost us a little extra in taxes even though we blow thousands each on nonsense items such as $800 purses and twenty pairs of shoes and eat out 5 days a week. Come on, do some of you people even listen to yourselves?

    Our world is BROKEN people and it is only getting worse. You can't say you don't see it because it is right there in front of our faces everyday on the news, in the newspapers, the way we see other people behave these days and everytime we flip on any random channel on TV.

    I find myself withdrawing more and more from society each year...within a few years I expect our farm to be completely self-dependent, we will have money and time set aside to help different local charities (because we ourselves had to learn how to work our way up from homeless and next year we will be college graduates thanks to help from only a few kind hearted people and government "handouts") but other than our few select friends, the only outside contact we will have to deal with will be employment. I don't even watch TV anymore, just movies with no commercials.

    Sometimes my husband gets upset with me when I will take one of the only two dollars I have to bUy me something unimportant, like an energy drink or snack and give it to one of the random people begging on the corner by the local store. He says I've seen that guy at the store buying cigerettes or beer or whatever, and I tell him I don't care what he uses it for, he says he needs it and I have it so I GIVE IT, because others have given to me. I do not claim to be God so I cannot judge someone, I cannot claim to know someones life story or why the do or are the way they are...WHEN SOMEONE ASKS YOU FOR HELP YOU GIVE IT AND YOU DON'T ASK FOR ANYTHING IN RETURN, THAT'S THE MEANING OF GIVING!!!!!!!!!!!!
    It's good you are willing to give your money away, just don't try to be so free with mine.
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  13. Visit  MunoRN profile page
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    Quote from HM-8404
    I would like to know what the difference is, in your opinion, between the taxpayers paying for your ER visit and the taxpayers paying for your health insurance. It seems it's a wash either way, since you cannot afford either the taxpayer will pick up the tab. I am not picking on you, just pointing out that the taxpayers will be paying for it in either case.
    We pay either way, but we can chose what it is that we're paying for to some degree.

    It's pretty rare that someone shows up to the ER saying they have a family history of DM, MI, and stroke and need to be screened to prevent their risk in the future. Far more often they show up in the ER years after that screening should have happened, now with a stroke, MI, etc. Would you rather pay for a screening at a doctor's office or open heart surgery, 3x/week dialysis, etc?
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  14. Visit  MunoRN profile page
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    Quote from HM-8404
    It's good you are willing to give your money away, just don't try to be so free with mine.
    If you have health insurance or purchase any healthcare services then you're already giving your money away, that ship has already sailed.


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