NURSING...the to die for career...hmm - page 9

by lkulmann

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Teachers, Police, Firefighters, Military, Government City/State and Nursing. What do they all have in common? Early Retirement Benefits! Whoopsies...all except for nursing. Whatsup with THAT.... Anyone?... Read More


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    Quote from lkulmann
    If the CEO of the hospital is making 2 million/yr they could afford to take much better care of the nurses.
    Fallacious reasoning...

    Say there are 2,000 nurses in the system... Eliminate the CEO and distribute that 2,000,000 per year among the nurses... $1,000 per year...
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    Quote from lkulmann
    Ladyfree28...you are very very informative and feisty and I love that BUT you are lacking street smarts. Book smarts and all of the cookie cutter responses are all good but the reality of what is going on in the nursing profession is my focus. Read some of the not so wonderful threads on this site. There's work to do!
    ^ Ikulmann, you do NOT know me nor have walked in my Danksos, to make such an inference. My posts are about REAL issues that have occurred in my life, they are NO WAY cookie cutter.

    I have worked for 10+ years in MANY and have worked in places that have not paid overtime, staff were unhappy, etc, etc. People who ethnocentrism pushed people from another background out of the door because of "customer service" and that place changed their tune after THAT; places that were threatened and were shut down due to lack of care, coordination, and culture; I have seen nurses at the top try to help change policies to solidify patient centered care and gave a brick wall in between, and those places changed hands and had people, including the "deadwood" out of a job.

    I have had setbacks in my life as someone who has several health issues, where NO one helped me as a nurse, no union, no nursing org, in the height of the WORSE economy-because they couldn't-go back to school, and working successfully, DESPITE a desire for places to scale back because I am now deemed a "new grad" again, and DESPITE is putting it mildly...

    If you were paying attention to my posts, I have been able to get back to the bedside BECAUSE OF MY STREET SMARTS and MY SMARTS AS A NURSE. I sought out what was available, and there were times where people have said no and I fought it and the door was open.

    So...if you are a fighter as you claim, and I have been, then you would understand my posts. I FOUGHT with my talent and my experiences that have made me a better person and I MADE it back to the beside. And I DID it ALONE...after ALL the blood-from spending my days in an ICU not knowing whether I was going to live or DIE;

    sweat -knowing because how "young" I was, how the importance having savings, a mortgage, and a retirement can dry up in you after a significant event and to START ALL over, plus the amount was NOT enough and WANTED to save my home, because I HAD NO WHERE ELSE TO GO, which I did

    ...and tears-frustration, bitterness from individuals that were a part of the system who were envious of the money I made TRIED to deny me, friends and family members who had NO idea how the process works who were frustrated which added to my own PTSD symptoms; I STILL wrote and advocated for myself, I was awarded money that was due to me and helped me through that year, and I was able to collect SSDI by the end of the year because I was disabled, then went from there to go back to school, even though SS was skeptical whether I could "handle" stress anymore; yet I am coping exceptionally well, have family, friends, and assistance with that as well, but the RESPONSIBILITY was on ME.

    I had a CHOICE.

    I HAVE FOUGHT and WON.

    I understand that mentality, the bitterness post fighting fir what is right; I REALLY do. I have lived through prior setbacks in my life as a child, and have climbed my way to have the goal that I set out for myself; I have been bitter, and it's unhealthy. I made a CHOICE to not be bitter, but to NEVER stop ADVOCATING. It has and will continue to serve me well.

    But understand the right for me to inquire; I understand your desire to not want to answer, or not having an answer, that's ok and HONEST enough, as I have been and continue to be in my posts on AN. I have been around AN since 2004; you see my honesty and pro advocacy on posts, if you been around here.

    Don't make assumptions behind a computer in terms of my "status" when you don't know 's' about me, and I won't do the same about you.

    Agreed?
    Last edit by LadyFree28 on Mar 15, '13
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    Quote from Esme12
    I am from Massachusetts.....I agree. I am curious about your thoughts on why MA is a disaster.
    ^ I meant a recipe for disaster in terms on not being a unified front Not that it is a disaster. again, pro-union, but more pro-advocacy for all.
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    Quote from ♪♫ in my ♥
    Fallacious reasoning...

    Say there are 2,000 nurses in the system... Eliminate the CEO and distribute that 2,000,000 per year among the nurses... $1,000 per year...
    Yes...that is fallacious reasoning... why would we eliminate the CEO and divide the pay...you are a riot!
    In all seriousness, an employee making 2 million/yr compared in comparison to a Staff RN making $100,000.00/yr...talk about top heavy ... damn. A bit extreme, no?
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    Quote from LadyFree28

    ^ Ikulmann, you do NOT know me nor have walked in my Danksos, to make such an inference. My posts are about REAL issues that have occurred in my life, they are NO WAY cookie cutter.

    I have worked for 10+ years in MANY and have worked in places that have not paid overtime, staff were unhappy, etc, etc. People who ethnocentrism pushed people from another background out of the door because of "customer service" and that place changed their tune after THAT; places that were threatened and were shut down due to lack of care, coordination, and culture; I have seen nurses at the top try to help change policies to solidify patient centered care and gave a brick wall in between, and those places changed hands and had people, including the "deadwood" out of a job.

    I have had setbacks in my life as someone who has several health issues, where NO one helped me as a nurse, no union, no nursing org, in the height of the WORSE economy-because they couldn't-go back to school, and working successfully, DESPITE a desire for places to scale back because I am now deemed a "new grad" again, and DESPITE is putting it mildly...

    If you were paying attention to my posts, I have been able to get back to the bedside BECAUSE OF MY STREET SMARTS and MY SMARTS AS A NURSE. I sought out what was available, and there were times where people have said no and I fought it and the door was open.

    So...if you are a fighter as you claim, and I have been, then you would understand my posts. I FOUGHT with my talent and my experiences that have made me a better person and I MADE it back to the beside. And I DID it ALONE...after ALL the blood-from spending my days in an ICU not knowing whether I was going to live or DIE;

    sweat -knowing because how "young" I was, how the importance having savings, a mortgage, and a retirement can dry up in you after a significant event and to START ALL over, plus the amount was NOT enough and WANTED to save my home, because I HAD NO WHERE ELSE TO GO, which I did

    ...and tears-frustration, bitterness from individuals that were a part of the system who were envious of the money I made TRIED to deny me, friends and family members who had NO idea how the process works who were frustrated which added to my own PTSD symptoms; I STILL wrote and advocated for myself, I was awarded money that was due to me and helped me through that year, and I was able to collect SSDI by the end of the year because I was disabled, then went from there to go back to school, even though SS was skeptical whether I could "handle" stress anymore; yet I am coping exceptionally well, have family, friends, and assistance with that as well, but the RESPONSIBILITY was on ME.

    I had a CHOICE.

    I HAVE FOUGHT and WON.

    I understand that mentality, the bitterness post fighting fir what is right; I REALLY do. I have lived through prior setbacks in my life as a child, and have climbed my way to have the goal that I set out for myself; I have been bitter, and it's unhealthy. I made a CHOICE to not be bitter, but to NEVER stop ADVOCATING. It has and will continue to serve me well.

    But understand the right for me to inquire; I understand your desire to not want to answer, or not having an answer, that's ok and HONEST enough, as I have been and continue to be in my posts on AN. I have been around AN since 2004; you see my honesty and pro advocacy on posts, if you been around here.

    Don't make assumptions behind a computer in terms of my "status" when you don't know 's' about me, and I won't do the same about you.

    Agreed?
    Agreed...I'm not bitter though freaked-out a little, not bitter. Sounds like you could've used a union to help you with all that...
    That's exactly what I'm going to do!
    We turn stress into strength
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    Talk about being a riot...

    You make a comment that, "If the CEO of the hospital is making 2 million/yr they could afford to take much better care of the nurses" and then seek to ridicule me when I point out what fallacious reasoning that is by saying, "why would we eliminate the CEO and divide the pay."

    Explain, then, how being able to afford a $2,000,000 annual salary to the CEO also means that "they could afford to take much better care of the nurses?"

    You continue to put forth suggestions which are roundly criticized, by both union-friendly nurses such as myself (grateful member of the California Nurses Association) and by those who don't recognize the benefits of collective bargaining. Rather than respond with thoughtful and logical counter arguments, you seek to marginalize and criticize the other posters.

    Regardless of the merits of your ideas, your style is earning you no support here and likely none in face-to-face discussions.

    If you believe so passionately as you claim, knock yourself out. I will point out, however, that you've not attempted to assess or justify the actual costs and benefits of your fantasy nor have you proposed any transition from the present reality.

    Quantify, specify, and justify what you propose and people might take you seriously.
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    Quote from lkulmann

    Sounds like you could've used a union to help you with all that...
    ^If you read my OP thoroughly, I stated that. For my situation, I did what was best that I know how to do-ADVOCATE.

    That's exactly what I'm going to do!
    We turn stress into strength
    Still want to know how...what is your plan, where
    it will benefit ALL nurses without alienating the ones who choose no to or the places that cannot afford the risk? How will you get your local associations on board???
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    Quote from ♪♫ in my ♥
    Talk about being a riot...

    You make a comment that, "If the CEO of the hospital is making 2 million/yr they could afford to take much better care of the nurses" and then seek to ridicule me when I point out what fallacious reasoning that is by saying, "why would we eliminate the CEO and divide the pay."

    Explain, then, how being able to afford a $2,000,000 annual salary to the CEO also means that "they could afford to take much better care of the nurses?"

    You continue to put forth suggestions which are roundly criticized, by both union-friendly nurses such as myself (grateful member of the California Nurses Association) and by those who don't recognize the benefits of collective bargaining. Rather than respond with thoughtful and logical counter arguments, you seek to marginalize and criticize the other posters.

    Regardless of the merits of your ideas, your style is earning you no support here and likely none in face-to-face discussions.

    If you believe so passionately as you claim, knock yourself out. I will point out, however, that you've not attempted to assess or justify the actual costs and benefits of your fantasy nor have you proposed any transition from the present reality.

    Quantify, specify, and justify what you propose and people might take you seriously.
    ^This!!!

    I am all for protecting and introducing ways to protect nurses, If OP is going to do this, and is proposing this, where is the plan??? Not ideas, operation proposals, cost v risk analysis, things like that...I haven't seen any comments that propose what "stop gap measures" that this proposal will do to strengthen how nurses are treated.

    Well said!!!
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    If I wanted to start a union or a business, why would I document my business plan here for the public to see ESPECIALLY if there is little to no agreement that there is a need. All nurses is a blog for nurses to toss out ideas, feelings, suggestions and so on...in my heart I believe that nurses need unity and protection. This is not about whether you like my personality or not...geeeezz. With the confrontational and argumentative tone of this discussion this does feel like the career 'to die for' This is like killer nurses on steroids...geeeshh... my next thread would specifically require supportive helpful suggestions welcomed...fight nicely.....
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    Quote from elkpark
    The military isn't unionized, is it?
    Lol NO the military is not unionized. You would be slammed with UCMJ just for even trying to unionize.
    This one made me laugh so hard.
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