iPN troubles - page 4

by agnescwal

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is anyone else having trouble with the "power freaks" at IPN ?? first the "addiction specialist" i'm sent to has someone else's case in front of him... or the case manager sent the wrong papers. when i confront them with it...i... Read More


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    Quote from genaa75
    is there anyone aware esp the bon .....please some of us nurses realy deserve another look into the allegations taken upon us.....we gave are lives to those sick , dying , recovering , for many years ......some of us even have major injuries we have to deal with for the rest of our lifes.......after tallahasee starts to see , good nurses with many years of experience are giving up there license due , to the brick walls and waiting to provide what realy happened the time of allegations , and how we were treated at our dr.ipn evals.....please who is it we should contact ? we want to speak to the board . proof we are good nurses not a case number....i mean please taking rx meds while on workers comp and having my eval at that time?????? i wasnt even working due to a nursing related injury.......someone please listen to us we are human...and deserve to be heard.....
    this entire thread is one of the reasons i strongly suggest that any nurse facing a board of nursing investigation for any reason obtain legal advice and/or representation. we have the right to an attorney during any questioning whether as part of an initial investigation, during a hearing, and while reviewing and considering a consent agreement. yes, yes, yes attorneys cost money. but when you are facing the possibility of having a restricted license, a revoked license, and ending up on the various "lists" that can restrict or end your practice...the money for an attorney is worth it. and yes, there are some bad attorneys out there just like there are bad doctors, bad nurses, and bad plumbers. do your homework. research the various license defense attorneys. trying to deal with a highly emotional situation and represent yourself with a legal system you don't understand can result in some terrible outcomes (just read the posts on this bulletin board). also, waiting until the defecation hits the ventilation to hire the attorney is waiting a little too long. once you sign that agreement with the bon, hiring an attorney at that point makes their job extremely difficult and limits their options. as many have found out, being innocent doesn't guarantee a positive outcome. sad, but that's the reality we live in.

    hiring an attorney doesn't mean you'll "get out" of whatever your in, it means your rights are taken into consideration and protected, and will hopefully provide you with the best possible outcome. there are no guarantees, but there aren't any in our business either, right?

    i've been criticized several times on this message board for recommending attorney representation. "jack consults with an attorney, of course he'll recommend one." so how does that disqualify the recommendation? if i worked for a neurologist and someone with a neuro problem approached me for input and i recommended a neurologist or neurosurgeon, would the fact that i consult with one mean the advice is unsound? who should i recommend for a nurse facing legal problems? a plumber? until i see more nurses coming out ahead than behind when representing themselves, one of the first recommendations i will continue to make is to seek legal representation by a qualified license defense attorney before doing anything else! if you don't have the money, borrow it (unless struggling to find work with a restricted license is no biggie). contact the bar association in your area or state to see if there are license defense (or administrative law) attorneys who do pro bono work. be very cautious about allowing uncle joe or your criminal defense attorney to represent you. the law is becoming specialized just like medicine. ot sure i'd want a dermatologist to treat my brain tumor.

    jack

    you're worth it!

    jack
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    Jack - agree wholeheartedly - the second you get accepted to nursing school, you should pay the bucks for your own private malpractice policy. The most important part of this insurance policy is legal representation when/if you have a board of nursing hearing or even think you might have a board of nursing hearing.

    The BON hears/sees all complaints, all lawsuit settlements, etc.. Although, yes the majority of BON hearings seem to deal with impaired/diversion issues, there are many, many reason that a nurse can have a hearing.

    Do your homework when looking for an attorney: for instance, if your BON is in the big city in your state and you live hundreds of miles away, it will be cheaper for you to find an attorney in that big city where the BON is located - its much cheaper for you to drive to the big city than for the attorney to travel to see you.

    Do your research: ask prospective attorneys how many nurses/healthcare professionals they have represented at the BON and what outcomes did they get? This is like interviewing someone for a job - and its your career in many cases they are discussing.

    Never go it alone no matter what reason you go to the BON.

    (And no, I'm not affiliated with any attorney - lol).
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    Quote from traumaRUs
    Jack - agree wholeheartedly - the second you get accepted to nursing school, you should pay the bucks for your own private malpractice policy. The most important part of this insurance policy is legal representation when/if you have a board of nursing hearing or even think you might have a board of nursing hearing.

    The BON hears/sees all complaints, all lawsuit settlements, etc.. Although, yes the majority of BON hearings seem to deal with impaired/diversion issues, there are many, many reason that a nurse can have a hearing.

    Do your homework when looking for an attorney: for instance, if your BON is in the big city in your state and you live hundreds of miles away, it will be cheaper for you to find an attorney in that big city where the BON is located - its much cheaper for you to drive to the big city than for the attorney to travel to see you.

    Do your research: ask prospective attorneys how many nurses/healthcare professionals they have represented at the BON and what outcomes did they get? This is like interviewing someone for a job - and its your career in many cases they are discussing.

    Never go it alone no matter what reason you go to the BON.

    (And no, I'm not affiliated with any attorney - lol).
    Well said traumaRUs!

    (I'll bet you're secretly affiliated with an attorney! - )

    Jack
    Last edit by jackstem on Aug 30, '10 : Reason: punctuation
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    Nope not in the least - just been a nurse awhile and have seen people hurt by not having an attorney represent them.

    Thanks Jack.
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    Quote from traumaRUs
    Nope not in the least - just been a nurse awhile and have seen people hurt by not having an attorney represent them.

    Thanks Jack.
    AMEN!!!! Me too!!!!!

    Thanks for what you guys do for the recovering nurses out there!

    Jack
    Last edit by jackstem on Aug 30, '10 : Reason: spelling
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    I too was wondering about moving to another state ....Should i volentary give up my nl here in FL , before i go....My NL is a active/susspention status at this point.I was wondering how you go about getting a license in another state......? DO you contact the bon in that state and ask how to obtain a NL in that state , do you have to take there state board test ? Another thing i was wondering , i have read some post on this site stating you may not use your tiltle as a nurse if its suspended . I know a few nurses who had disaplinary actions against the NL and where able to work in Costa rica , Bahammas , and mexico....These nurses travel over there 6 months out of the year work as a nurse. Its not like nurses are trying to get away with not complying with all the restrictions of ipn , Its just that why waist ones knowlege of medicine , and many years of experience . Anyone out there knows how that would work ....A nurse is always a nurse its like riding a bike you never forget ...And we are all special its in our blood and our hearts forever , even if we are addicts . I am so angry with the way the bon handles there own....Where is the fairness in this ? We are human not case numbers.....We should all be given a fair chance , look into the alligations for each of us before you ruin our privacy our reputations and put false information on the internet and stamp it .Every case or should i say nurse , have differnt issues that forced us into ipn m but we all get the same treatment.......We dont even have any legal protection as a cold blooded murder would have ....Its so sad to know that anyone can make allegations and half the time its false. And the bon Dr. Evals are always the same recomondations IPN . Its very disturbing to know just how many nurses cant find work after IPN is done......Who is in charge of making sure allegations are even found to be a true and ligete reason one is guilty of anything...
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    Action on a license in one state can have effects on licenses in other states, and can also have significant effects on obtaining a license in other states. Since the nurse practice act in one state can be different from another, it's difficult to determine what will or will not be looked at and what won't. When seeking licensure in other states, it can be a good idea to obtain a consultation from a license defense attorney in the state where you are seeking a license.

    After working with numerous nurses seeking licensure in multiple states with action in their home state, and seeing the mess that can happen when trying to figure out all the ins and outs, I never recommend attempting to figure out all the intricacies of the process alone. One mistake can mean the difference between no action, minimum action, significant action, or refusal of application for licensure.

    If you do retain an attorney, don't withhold information regarding your past and/or present actions. I worked with someone who retained an attorney, withheld information, and then ran into a buzz saw when she applied for licensure in another state because the board found information that she didn't want to share with her attorney (she was embarrassed and didn't think the info would matter...WRONG!). Her application was denied which may lead to additional difficulties with data banks. This issue is confusing and can have long term, even permanent effects on your ability to return to practice.

    Just like not seeking medical advice until things get really bad can lead to serious consequences for your physical health, not seeking legal advice can have serious consequences for your professional health.

    Good luck!

    Jack
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    THEY ARE sending all these nurses to programs that cost money and having to depend on someone to pay
    for them because they can't get a job and evidently IPN doesn,t help. WHAT IS THEIR JOB, SEEMS ALL THEY DO IS
    CAUSE DEPRESSION FOR ALL THESE NURSES THAT ARE BEGGING FOR HELP AND JUST MAKING THERE OWN DECISIONS
    ABOUT PEOPLE THEY DO NOT KNOW ARE EVEN CARE TO KNOW.
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    NOONE SEEMS TO KNOW, THEY DO CAUSE DEPRESSION AND GIVE NURSES NO HOPE AND DO NOT BELIEVE YOU EVER GET TO SEE ANYONE THAT WORKS FOR IPN THEY SEND YOU PLACES THAT COST MONEY AND SEEM NOT TO CARE THAT YOU HAVE NO MONEY BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT GET A JOB BECAUSE YOUR UNDER THEIR CONTRACT
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    Maybe we should write our SENATORS in-
    stead of posting, which is probably only read by the nurses which have
    signed their contracts


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