Nurses eat their young - now I understand why. - page 16

by RN_Marie 30,328 Views | 158 Comments

I started working for a sub-acute LTC as the DSD last week. The DON and I hit it off because we have the same vision on what we need to do in order to solve the problems we current have. Early this week, we posted an ad for... Read More


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    Quote from bratmobile
    Merlyn that rant is beyond bad it's just plain asinine. Nurse Know It Alls with bad attitudes like yours are always intimidated by new grads (17 yrs in "this business") because chances are, you are training your replacement.
    Thank You.
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    As a new grad I would never consider a charge nurse position! It's no surprise you're getting the new grads with huge egos. I want to start as a staff nurse with a great preceptor. I would feel like I'm being set up for failure as a charge nurse in an long-term care facility. How many patients would I be responsible for? I also know nothing about core measures. I do know what they are because I grabbed an extra core measures sheet from the hospital, but we were told to worry about that after nursing school when we got a job. It's not nursing school material. I'm graduating in a few weeks and while I think it's ridiculous some of the positions I see want experience because they aren't that complicated, this is one position that should require experience.
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    Although I agree with what you are saying, the OP is not an experienced nurse. According to other posts, she just passed her boards a few weeks ago. Her arrogance and condescending attitude, however, are evident in many of her other posts as well. Interesting that a young nurse is advocating eating your young. Wierd.

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    Quote from Abby, RN
    Marie, you are a nurse that eats her young.... you are judgmental even before giving a new nurse a chance. You are letting your experience get in the way of being a possible mentor and seeing nursing through the eyes of a new grad. So many experienced nurses are the ones with a chip on their shoulder. Did you ever stop to think maybe these new grads/inexperienced nurses come across the way they did in the interview because they are trying to impress you with what they know? I'm sorry that you think they don't know much but in nursing school nurses do not learn how to be a nurse, mostly book knowledge to be built upon on the job. I am a new nurse for only one year now and have met many "experienced" nurses that are less than welcoming and are quick to size me up on the first day with an unwelcome look and even no greeting or introduction at all. I have been eaten many times this year. I interview very well and have been offered the RN position every time. I have had four RN jobs in the past year and have been eaten every time except for my current RN job. I hope this post helps other "experienced" nurses to give all new grads hired a fair chance. Oh by the way, having a sense of humor goes a long way when "raising a new nurse", just like raising a child.
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    It's not only asinine, it makes no sense at all, grammatically, or in the context of this thread.

    Quote from Merlyn
    This rant is going to be a bad one, because I am sick and tired of students in a nursing school calling themselves Nurses. You are students. You are not a nurse until you pass the boards. No matter what they teach you in Nursing School. If you don't have the license you are not a real nurse. Real Nurses don't have instructors that they can call on when they are in trouble. I put 40+ years in this business and for Dolly Dimple to come alone and Say, "I just graduated form Whoopee School of Nursing. Now I am a nurse just like you." I a slap in the face to me and the other Nurses that have put years into this profession. Now let's talk of Teddy Bears and Hugs. Oh, to remain on the thread. If the job calls for 'experienced Nurses' they mean outside of Nursing School. Maybe they do not have enough time 'to raise a child'. Following the nursing school logic. I have experience in delivering babies when I was a cop in the Air Force. I want a job delivering babies in the hospital and I am not going to take the midwife course because I know how. I deliver 2 of them. Think the hospital will hire me?
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    Quote from Teacher Sue
    Although I agree with what you are saying, the OP is not an experienced nurse. According to other posts, she just passed her boards a few weeks ago. Her arrogance and condescending attitude, however, are evident in many of her other posts as well. Interesting that a young nurse is advocating eating your young. Wierd.

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    No, it's not weird. As W. C. Fields said when asked,"Bill do you liked children?" He said," Depends how they're cooked."
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    Honesty is always the best policy-tactfulness also. People interviewing know that people have lives outside of work. There are reservations that cannot be changed. If they want to hire you they will be willing to wait until your trip is over. If it's a crisis, and they turn you down, then it's probably the best for you. If they are inflexible with a hire date, then their needs trump your plans, or they will be very inflexible in the future. Read it however you wish. I think this post is taking a bad turn. Toodles. Have enjoyed it up to now.
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    LTC/SNF whether post-acute or subacute has trouble attracting and then retaining the calibre of nurses that are able to work in hospitals. Despite the fact that turnover is considered expensive and unacceptable in most areas, SNFs must churn staff in order to keep themselves staffed and avoid giving raises. Sounds like your facility wants levels of expertise that it is not willing to pay for. Good leadership is built on respect for others. If you cannot respect applicants it will be hard to command their respect. And a manager should not get angry or indignant about stuff like this.

    Many new grads are so desperate to find work that they overdo it in interviews or commit faux pas. It's worth a chuckle, not worth a head full of seething frustration.
    Last edit by mmm333 on Oct 7, '12
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    Every floor nurse in most SNFs is called a "charge nurse" or "supervisor"- it's 1) to hang more liability on their shoulders, 2) trick families into thinking that they are speaking to someone in charge of or supervising the entire unit when they call demanding to talk to someone higher up ie "OK then, would you like to talk to the charge nurse?".

    BTW I've seen new grads become DSD or ADON in the SNF environment as their first nursing job, or after six months as a "charge nurse" of this sort. Again, they are looking for someone to shunt legal risk onto. new grads should not take these positions. "hitting it off" with the DON = you got stroked and cuddled in the beginning, but in the end you may find that you got more than you bargained for. You may find yourself wearing the blame for systemic problems that loosely fit into your very broad or worse, unwritten job description.
    Last edit by mmm333 on Oct 7, '12
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    you know, to put a different spin on things, my management is putting the new grads in positions like charge nurse, etc, and they either sink or swim. Another new grad, well less than 1 yr floor experience- is precepting students at the local college. Why??? Because they are letting her, and no one else is there to do the job. Nothing against new grads, but I am scared because i have seen the management throw them in to situations they shouldn't be thrown into, and make subsequent mistakes. It also goes back to management not caring about nurses, just that they have a warm body to fill the holes.
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