Dover Business School (LPN Program) - page 2
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Hi, I am currently searching for a good nursing program to enter and Dover is close to me. I was wondering if anyone out there has had any experience with the above mentioned school? The tuition is 21,000.00 for the 2008 year... Read More
- 2Jan 17, '10 by Happy2bLPN
I currently attend Dover for the LPN program. It is very expensive - 25,000 for the sequence. I have just started, but have mixed reviews. First, they are accredited and apparently awaiting associate degree granting authority which would enable them to morph into an LPN - RN bridge track additional to the LPN track. However, pretty much no school will take any LPN classes as a transfer credit, unless they are in a degree program, and their currently (to my knowledge) - is not a degree program for LPN in NJ.
Having said the above, the fact remains that if you want to enroll in a LPN to RN track program, they schools are truly interested in the fact that you have a LPN license and of course nothing less than a C on your transcript. So accreditation wise - all should be well.
At this early stage, I would say the teachers are excellent, but the deans and the academic policy seem a bit skewed - and not in the interest of the students. I was told of the previous class to my own, that 30 started and only 13 passed to the next semester. I would wager a guess that the school is deliberately failing out potential "nclex non passers" early, to keep their pass rate high so they can acquire degree granting authority. Which leads me to say - Hmmmm. Anyway, its very new in the game and I will say that the teachers seem excellent.
I'll keep you posted!
- 2Feb 3, '10 by Lauren Price-NickelsNESS,
I was one of the 13 students who did not return. Since then, I have been accepted to an accredited school and I am very happy for my upcoming semester. When I first went to Dover, I was told that I shouldn't work, because it would interfere with my studies. No problem. I was also told not to worry about Money, because they would find grants and student aid (which I wouldnt have to start paying back till 6 months after I left the school). No problem! They also said that they would do everything they could to help you with the program. That is, until they have your money....
First Semester was great. Teachers offered extra credit and even tutoring on the weekends. Second semester was the total opposite. Teachers would keep you on the pass/fail line so at the end of the semester your hair was falling out. This, and there is a business angle to this. If you read your student handbook, all you need to do is make it to Finals and they have the right to charge you 70% of your tuition. Now take into consideration that the second semester had the SAME teachers as the first! New rule for second semester: No Tutoring, no extra credit!
Now I am not a person who thinks that extra credit is needed. If you study 5 hours a day, and know the book by heart, you shouldnt have any problems, right? WRONG! 1/2 the teachers disagreed with each other, and 3 out of 4 teachers argued that the book they made you study was wrong! Do they test from the book? Sure.... Most of what you learn is from the internet, and asking students from other schools. Dover is one of the most unorganized, stubborn Colleges (not a "real" college, its just their company name) that ive ever had the pleasure of attending. Here is why your school is a scam:
1) They dont have enough teacher's available at the Hospitals to teach 30 students. Even if 30 had passed, they would have to kick some people out for attitude problems
2) They tell you not to work, and not to worry about paying back loans... but if they kick you out at the end of the 2nd semester, you owe 70% of the tuition within one week (cash) or it goes to collection. Let's do the math: 5 semester school. 2 semesters attending = 70% of tuition owed???? If you took loans, and got a grant.... your bill (not including the loans you have to pay back) is about $8,000 cash due within a week of leaving the school. Funny, I thought if the government won't pay you from a loan I took, then I shouldn't either. <Lawyer notified>
3) At a regular school, let's say "Local Community College" you pay for classes. If you fail out, you only owe $$ for the time you spent there. And if you decide to go to another school, most of the world accepts your "college credits". Not Dover. If you dont make it through the 15 months and pass the HESI (Dover requires you to pass with a higher score than the state requires for you to sit on the NCLEX) you will have NOTHING to show for it. Not a credit to transfer.... not another shot at going back and retaking the class at Dover... NOTHING. Oh, except a $25,000 bill for NOTHING. Think about it. Its like buying a brand new car, only to drive it into the ocean, not collect the insurance... and then going out and buying another brand new. Your LPN career just cost you $50,000 in loans. Sounds a lot like an RN program to me.
4) If you need something from them... Dover Business college is not on your side. They do not return calls unless they are recruiting you. Some of their teachers are "doctors in the Dominican Republic" but dont qualify as a home health aid in our country... hence why they are teachers @ DBC instead of practicing medicine.
5) Many of the Hospitals have dropped DBC from allowing their student nurses to go there. This is because schools like Lincoln Tech and Allied Health and Hohokus all require you to be bonded and insured to step into their hospital. Not Dover, they dont feel like spending the $20 per student it costs for malpractice insurance
6) Some of the biggest staffing companies such as Maxim Healthcare, Bayada Nursing, PRN Nursing, Adomus, and Hospice won't hire Dover graduates. This is because some big names in the Healthcare field were burned by the school and have basically black listed everything related to Dover.
There is absolutely no reason to go to this school, when there are so many schools to choose from.
Oh... and there is a reason why they dont post their NCLEX pass rates. Let them explain it to you, and see them spin
- 0Apr 27, '10 by 2010gradnjI also attended DBC and finished, good and bad experiences. Bottom line is that Nursing is hard and not everyone makes it through any program. Would I attend again? no, too expensive, not organized, not enough staff. Did I get my license? yes but I studied my *** off and did not take everything that was told to me by instructors or one text as the facts without asking other nurses and looking up info on the internet. I would agree that being one of the most expensive schools to get your LPN you definately do not get what you are paying for.
- 0Jul 13, '11 by Pleased2piecesLPNHello everyone...I just wanted to add my two cents as a new 2011 DBC LPN Grad. I will cut to the chase. Basically a lot of what is written above is correct. The main thing I differ in opinion in is the instructors. The majority of them have many years in service and one of our more recent capstone instructors is an active nurse practitioner actually and a heckuva good one. The school is definitely about business and money, however there were some great and caring professors that took many of us under their wings.
I will say they definitely threw us for a loop a lot. An example was them prepping us to take Hesi all the way up to our last quarter and then flipping the script and had us prep for the NLN! But that's ok...we, as a class, pulled together throughout the program in the form of creating our own online study group page where we took turns posting notes and resources.
Ok, so there were 29 that began the program (Clifton campus) and only 9 ended up passing exit NLN exam and graduated. Now, many dropped for various reasons - whether for tragic, financial reason or otherwise and yes some unfortunately flunked out. It was not an easy trek and all that's worth having is worth working hard for.
Are there other colleges? Absolutely. A lot of folks opted to attend DBC because of waiting lists, etc. I will add though that some of the other schools don't even have the opportunity to attend clinicals in actual hospitals. We most definitely did. Bergen Regional, Kindred, Palisades, to name a few. We observed live births, c-sections, endoscopies, colonoscopies, etc. The staff also had many good things to say about our professionalism as well. The only other thing I can and will say is that I did what I needed to do to complete the program. It wasn't easy and had no life for 15mos. Ask questions and press for your answers. It is important to note that the school requires student malpractice insurance and is FULLY accredited now and should have NCLEX pass rates available to see now. The majority of the previous class passed on first try and ALL NINE of my group did the first time around.
All in all, the experience was a little rough around the edges at times and there were definitely some frustrating moments, but I accomplished what I set out to and here I stand as the nurse that I have always longed to be. (as a 2nd career and at the tender age of 37 :-)
Many blessings to you all in your decisions!Last edit by Pleased2piecesLPN on Jul 13, '11
- 0Aug 1, '11 by tablefor4Thanks for your insight. I'm 3 classes away from being able to apply to CCM for RN but I'm still considering Dover. The 15 month timeframe is so enticing - I feel like I'm looking at about 2 1/2 years right now for CCM and it seems soooo long. I've read (here I think) that jobs are hard to come by - that some businesses don't give Dover grads an opportunity to even interview. Can you tell me a bit about your job search after you graduated? Hope it's not too personal.... Many many thanks!!!
- 0Aug 1, '11 by Pleased2piecesLPNHello tablefor4,
I can only share with you my experience. Firstly, I have not actually been employed as an actual nurse as of yet. Namely because after graduation I went on a cruise, came back, studied and scheduled nclex for mid June. I JUST received my license number last week.
As far as work goes, I had been working in a private home as a home health helper as a student nurse and did so throughout the program up until about 3wks ago and so I actually have some solid vent/trach experience. (I worked under an RN who lived there and was the primary caregiver). I have a friend who works in psych at Bergen Regional and have contemplated going there but, based on a couple of classmates I have spoken with, some have gotten on at pediatric agencies with no problem. Bergen Regional and Kindred in Wayne hire LPN's as well as all nursing homes. So there is work out there!
With that said, I went for LPN simply because of wait lists. I decided that by the time I actually got into a program, I would already be an LPN. I am definitely going on to RN though. My ultimate desire would be for my employer to provide tuition reimbursement - we shall see...
Weigh all your options, and all things considered make the decision that is right for you...good luck!!