OK we get it STUD, you're straight - page 10
Something has been bothering me for quite some time on this forum and I have not known exactly what it was. Well I figured it out and y'all may not like it. So often when reading posts on the Men in Nursing or Male Nursing... Read More
- 1Jul 29, '11 by Rob72Quote from MrChicagoRNThis is the reason it is important to apply logic to a political/philosophical argument. NAMBLA has long stated that pedophilia, "like homosexuality", is "misunderstood". "Some young people (very young-my annotation, not part of the quote) may be fearful of a relationship at first, simply because they have not been exposed to, or experienced, this profound type of love expression..." I'm using quotes both for attribution, and the -obvious to this group- irony.WOW. That is certainly an extreme, and offensive, analogy.
Big difference in 1 sentence:
Gays form relationships & have consenual sex with other like minded individuals; pedophiles prey upon & victimize those who who don't have the legal or developmental capacity to consent.
They go on to challenge the developmental model(Erickson) using the typical sociologiocal argument that society "criminalizes behaviors" it does not understand.
The problem is that GLAL (Gay and Lesbian Action League-not the most understated political group in the first place) was receiving thousands of dollars/year, from NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Assosciation, for those unacquainted) until the early 90s, when NAMBLA was driven off-shore & underground by the FBI and InterPol. Thanks to internet money handling services, NAMBLA is still alive, but relatively much more covert.
The problem with political activism is that if your group is not substantial, you have to accept outside/related interest groups. The broader your inclusions, the more radical the group as a whole becomes. Soooo... here we are today.
Point of all this basically being(in analogy): I cannot be offended when someone makes a slighting reference to Jimmy Swaggart, the Bakers, etc., and Christianity, because the Christian community has accepted these persons as part of the group. When other Christian leadership steps up, and denounces the behavior, and states what behaviors are the norm for the Christian community(assuming that said behaviors are more generally accepted than those of whomever is in a scandal) then we have legitimately divorced ourselves from the maladaptive representative. If we say nothing, we are tacitly accepting the behavior.Last edit by Rob72 on Jul 29, '11
- 0Aug 1, '11 by ThujoneWell I am a 'straight' male, and I have no issues working with or being around other gay men. In fact, I helped convince my ex girl friends brother to come out of the 'closet.' That being said, here in the south (NC) people tend to be a bit more apprehensive to gay people than other places of the country, this is most likely because of the geographical area I live in, it's in the bible belt (nothing against any religions), and of course the stereotypical 'image' of what a man should be like. I know I personally have had women ask me if I was gay or not in one way or another, but I am glad that they asked because I would rather them ask than assume. I can empathize with you bro, and it's sad that there are men that feel the need to stand out to others and make it a known fact that they are not gay. If you ask me, that indicates that they have a serious psychological issue with gays or perhaps have had a one time visit down gay ally (lol.)
I will say that there was one case where I was in class (and all my class mates were girls) and we were in the break area, and the girls that were at my table knew a gay guy that was sitting a lone, and they told him to come sit beside them. He would not do it, and I really think that it was because I was there, and he just assumed I was straight, and it would make me uncomfortable or something if he were to come sit near us.Last edit by Thujone on Aug 1, '11
- 0Aug 3, '11 by morecoffeeplsWhat a dumb original post and series of comments. Except for this guy: "Realllly... who gives a toot?" & anyone else who said something similar. So I might as well "contribute" to this inane thread by saying that in my next life I will be single in nursing school. 10:1 ratio, but I survived. I don't mean to downplay anyone's experience or opinion, but it really is a non-issue to anyone with any sense - which is to say that evidently it's an issue with most people. It's late, I need more coffee.
- 1Aug 3, '11 by Rob72Quote from morecoffeeplsHow very deprecating and patronizing.What a dumb original post and series of comments. Except for this guy: "Realllly... who gives a toot?" & anyone else who said something similar. So I might as well "contribute" to this inane thread by saying that in my next life I will be single in nursing school. 10:1 ratio, but I survived. I don't mean to downplay anyone's experience or opinion, but it really is a non-issue to anyone with any sense - which is to say that evidently it's an issue with most people. It's late, I need more coffee.
I found it beneficial to have a cogent stance on the issue when a very upset SO drew a weapon on the unit because she felt her companion was not being treated appropriately, because of her orientation. I found reasoned argument to be highly effective in dispelling heated emotion, before the advent of tasers.
But "many" lack the immediacy of experience to focus their thinking on given issues...
This is a "hot-button" issue for many (on both sides), as is being AA/Hispanic/inthecountryillegally/female/maleina femaledominatedfield/etc.. The issue is not so much the "problem" but the individuals' strong identification with a subculture. In psych, are you not working with individuals attempting to develop integrational models with society, to attain positive developmental resolutions...?
- 2Aug 4, '11 by morecoffeeplsEh ... okay. I did say it was late & that I needed more coffee, though. I meant to address the issue itself & not the people posting about it. Most "hot-button" issues exist because people are irrational and/or self-important, on either side. I'll try to be a "real man" & admit that my tone was imprudent instead of getting defensive.
My real "issue" perhaps is spending time on here reading a series of comments, regardless of the topic, that range from idiotic to pedantic instead of doing homework or banging my head against a wall or something. Right, I shouldn't project.
- 0Aug 9, '11 by Rob72Quote from morecoffeepls...but homework is soooooooo boring.My real "issue" perhaps is spending time on here reading a series of comments, regardless of the topic, that range from idiotic to pedantic instead of doing homework or banging my head against a wall or something. Right, I shouldn't project.
- 0Aug 23, '11 by algebra_demystifiedThe story of an old friend of mine popped into my head tonight. He was a Catholic boy and was sexually molested by a Catholic priest. I don't know how many times, whether it was consensual or partly or not at all, or any other circumstances surrounding that series of events.
What I can tell you is that he has a very confused set of sexual boundaries.
Sometimes he's straight, sometimes he's gay, sometimes he's bi, and I used to have to ask him before we'd go out to the bars on the weekends. I'd have to ask him. Look, are you going to be straight this weekend? I don't want to go for a walk on the wild side, don't care if you do, but I also don't want to hang out with somebody who can't stop themselves from harassing my usual waitress at my favorite coffee shop after the bars.
"She likes it, if you did what I do, you'd know."
No, she didn't like it. I had a hard time going back for a while because of the bizarre behavior of my old friend.
I think some people are homosexual by reasons of genetics that have to do with how the hormonal system deals with stress. Some are conditioned to homosexuality by abuse, some commit homosexual acts but see themselves as straight because they're locked in a same-sex institution for a long period of time, and the bottom line is that it's complicated.
I dunno. I don't have any gay friends right now, but I wouldn't care if somebody I met was gay and I wouldn't judge them on that basis. At the same time, I remember going to lunch with a group of gay men and suddenly realizing that all of them had performed fellatio on one another at some point in the past, and the thought just flipped my stomach and it was time for me to go.
I also remember going on a car trip with three other guys and a girl and realizing that all of us had had sex with her in the past, and she suddenly became very uncomfortable. Thankfully it was a short trip and she didn't have to deal with the stress for long.
Bottom line is if you're gay, I don't care. But if all you want to talk about is gay rights and gay marches and have gay bumper stickers on your VW Beetle or scooter, I've had enough. I also don't want to endlessly dissect football statistics, so if that's the only thing you can talk about then I'm probably not going to wind up at the lunch table with you either.