Indiana state university lvn-rn program question - page 3
Im an lvn graduate. A friend of mine in california told me about an online school called indiana state university. He said that you can take an lvn to rn program. also, he told me its accredited in... Read More
0Feb 7, '13 by HannaBeeWow, what a long concerned post! I am not that interested. Not that concerned. Whether they get approved again or not, in CA, as they are approved in a majority of US states, will not impact my life one bit.
ISU has no money from me. I don't work for them. I really don't care. Maybe someone does, not me. I was relating info.
They called me. On the phone. I never called them. I never complained to them. I never emailed them about this.
As far as Excelsior, my husband looked at all the legal documents, he is a lawyer, and called it a "******* contest".
But please go warn everyone. I would rather just delete my post because it seems to have raised people's BP...but for whatever reason, you can't delete a post here.
I abhor internet arguments. They are really stupid, petty and cowardly. I am on this site 1-2 times a year at most.
I have seen posts about things I could have helped with but didn't because, judging by responses to certain posts, I have long suspected that this message board is monitored closely by the CA BRN. Kelly's post contained 2 links to the CA BRN. Your posts talk about all these meetings you attend and video of meetings you have??? Really? Who would do that if they didn't work for the CA BRN.
Your sarcasm is wasted though. I know you giggle and think you are very clever as you press the "post comment" button. Like I said, a wasted effort.
But freedom of speech is understood as a multi-faceted right that includes not only the right to express, or disseminate, information and ideas, but three further distinct aspects:
- the right to seek information and ideas;
- the right to receive information and ideas;
- the right to impart information and ideas
So stop the attacks as internet arguments are an extremely foolish waste of time and energy.
By all means, inform the masses of how misinformed I am. I know it makes you feel good and I wouldn't want to spoil that.
I am going to turn my notifications off and get back to helping people in the real world and not the cyber world.
0Feb 8, '13 by Esme12, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorI don't think anyone was trying to offend you and this board might be monitored by the CA BRN as this is a public site that is available and viewed by the general public. I am sorry you felt attacked....but as you said everyone is entitled to their opinion....it is a public site. Everyone will have their own perception and opinion on what is posted....I don't feel anyone meant it as a personal attack. As per the Terms of ServiceWe promote the idea of lively debate. This means you are free to disagree with anyone on any type of subject matter as long as your criticism is constructive and polite. Additionally, please refrain from name-calling. This is divisive, rude, and derails the thread.
Our first priority is to the members that have come here because of the flame-free atmosphere we provide. There is a zero-tolerance policy here against personal attacks. We will not tolerate anyone insulting other's opinion nor name calling.
Our call is to be supportive, not divisive
I wish you the best.
0Feb 8, '13 by trendelenburgI am a CA resident, enrolled in a contract with TCN, gearing up to start in Fall with ISU's BSN program. Just found out today, through a phone call initiated by me, that SSU didn't extent their accreditation extension an the ISU isn't offering the program to CA residents anymore.
I called TCN, spoke with a supervisor there, who assured me they are very close to starting a new partnership In CA and that I should continue with my course work as I have nothing to worry about.
Just found this website... looks like I have plenty to worry about.
Who can advise me?
0I never meant to upset anyone. Honestly. Allnurses has been a support for me! I used it mostly as I was studying for the NCLEX-PN. However, I was just trying to share what I thought was good news but maybe the person that called me, I have no idea why she gave me a personal phone call, but maybe she wasn't telling the truth. It just seems to call someone out of the blue, who hasn't complained at all, was strange - but to me "these things happen"- so I wasn't all upset or anything. My life won't change with a BSN. I already have a BA and there is only one thing an RN can do in CA that an LVN can not do and that is hang an IV drip. Although it happens all the time. There is little scope difference and I don't need the extra money.
However, I am going to ask allnurses to delete my posts and me if necessary. I am rarely on here and when I think of all the time some people spent on their responses to me, for some reason people get really inflamed by all of this.
I will tell allnurses to have a look at this thread, if they haven't already, and to feel free to delete my posts and delete me.
This forum is supposed to be support for nurses, period! and I know if we were all sitting in person talking, the discussions would be different as people tend to say things on the net they wouldn't say in person.
0by the way...there was no investment of my time for ISU as I have all the pre-reqs from my BA. I have made no investment of time or money. If they are up and running again, fine, if not, fine. I applied because might as well get a BSN. I had everything required and would have just gone into the Stage where you take 4 challenge exams. That does cost something, but I wasn't there yet so it doesn't matter. My advice would be to just hang in there and see. There seem to be people who don't want to see this happen and they are very discouraging. Just try to filter things and go about your life if all I can think.
0No doubt they need to make things more accessible in CA. Every place I've worked there is a nurse shortage and I am often asked to work a double and I never want to but sometimes do out of concern for patients. We all went through a school for the LVN, if they insist everyone go through a brick and mortar school for the RN, they need to open up more programs.
0Feb 10, '13 by puppskmmHannabee, I can understand your concern about people who monitor this site. While the CA BRN may or may not read the posts, I can absolutely state that ISU not only reads our posts but has an shill, who fails to identify him/herself as a employee of ISU and provides ISU LVN/LPN to BSN information about our posts. [Shill is defined as: An accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others."] This person has never taken any of the prerequisites, challenge exams, and has never registered for a ISU nursing class. I find this deception a problem. Yet others on AN who are associated with a college or university, clearly identify themselves.
As far as my being associated with the CA BRN, I am not. I am a student like you. Since you stated you have another bachelors degree, you are well aware the importance of critical thinking and research. Following ISU through the CA BRN website and attending BSN meetings is not difficult. Anyone who is seriously interested in what is happening with the ISU LVN to BSN program should have done the same.
As far your time, energy and financial investment into in the ISU LVN to BSN program, you may not have had to take any prerequisites because of your previous degree, but you still had to take the challenge exams. The cost of the 4 exams is approximately $350 each and then there is all the paperwork and certifications that must be provided to ISU--all of which cost money. You and the rest of us lost a minimum of $1500 for the pleasure of applying to ISU and passing the challenge exams. There were 144 in the last class. Multiply 144 x $1500.00 and the total is $216,000 for the fall 2012 class. A nice chuck of change that directly increased the LVN nursing department's bottomline. If you and other students signed up for the first class--Intro to Nursing--the tuition increased the financial gain.
While you were waiting for your entrance letter into the Fall ISU LVN to BSN program, ISU had been put on notice that their precarious house of cards was about to be obliterated. ISU had been notified form the CA BRN that the Board received student complaints about the class syllibus and that the Spring 2013 Long Beach VA clinical did not adhere to the Calif Nurse Practice Act. ISU did not rectify the problem, but the action it took was to pulbically slandered, shun and blackball those complaining students as well as lie to the CA BRN investigator. Why did ISU do this: to continue their lucrative LVN to BSN program and to save face or their job.
Further, during the CA BRN investigation, information came to light that ISU was running a pilot LVN to BSN program in Calif that was never submitted to the CA BRN for approval nor did it receive an approval. ISU had been running the pilot program for more than a year. According to the Calif Business and Professional Code and the Calif BRN Nurse Practice Act, the pilot progam was illegal, yet ISU continued to accept students and charge tuition for an illegal California LVN to BSN program.
You received an acceptance letter during the initial CA BRN investigation in 2012, but it was not until September 2012 that the true issues came to light. Sometime between May and September 2012, the Calif State University Chancellor realized the scam ISU running. Not wishing to sully CSU's stellar reputation, the Calif State University Chancellor quickly declined to continue the contract with ISU. Still, ISU denied any wrongdoing and continued its scam of the CA BRN. Further, ISU did not take responsibility for its actions but continued to blame the innocent LVN to BSN complaining students as well as the CSU Chancellor.
The straw that broke the ISU LVN to BSN camel's back was what happened after the September 2012 CA BRN Board meeting. The Board took serious interest into what ISU, SSU and Chancellor's office representative testified to during that September meeting. The CA BRN had gathered enough information, and based on its investigation and testimony, it remove ISU's school approval.
What I have seen and continue to see is the ISU nursing department continues to mislead California LVN students. Everyone wants to trust its University, and it is very difficult to accept that ISU has been scamming California LVNs and operating an illegal nursing program in California from 2007 to December 2012.
Hannabee, I agree with you that there is a serious void in LVN to ADN/BSN programs that California offers licensed and working LVNs. The Calif State Universities and the University of California system have a minopoly on the clinical sites within California. Whether this could be called racketeering, I don't know but sooner or later California will have to rectify this if any distant learning program is to be successful within Calif. It may be that CSU and U of Calif may start offering a distant learning program of their own--I understand UCLA is about to offer a distant learning program in Los Angeles.
Hannabee, I disagree with you. THERE IS NO NURSING SHORTAGE WITHIN CALIFORNIA. ADNS and BSNs who have graduate find it next to impossible to get a job. As far as LVNs, schools who train LVNs, they are as common as jelly beans. Every 6 months a new crop of LVNs is graduated. The problem is, by law, those LVNs cannot work acute care facilities and can only work in SNFs, private duty, or home health. If your facility requires you, an LVN, to work overtime, it is not for a lack LVNs. It may be that LVNs do not want to work for the facility or that the facility has poor nursing administration. Again, THERE IS NO NURSING SHORTAGE WITHIN CALIFORNIA.
For those students who are not in California but enrolled in the LPN to BSN program, realize that ISU will do anything to protect its program. WHAT HAPPENED IN CLAIFORNIA CAN HAPPEN TO YOU.Last edit by puppskmm on Feb 10, '13