Indiana State University LPN-BSN 2012 - page 7

Hello, I am due to start the LPN-BSN program at Indiana State University in the fall of 2012 and decided to start a thread for fellow students who may be starting around the same time so that we... Read More

  1. Visit  LadyinScrubs profile page
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    hi everyone,
    i'm also on my way to start in fall 2012. just finished and passed the mental health csm, i'll be taking nursing care of adults next week. anyone else from california? starting to look into possible clinical sites. do you contact the hospital directly and ask if they would be willing to proctor a student nurse?? has anyone gone through this process in california? any advice would help.
    thanks
    the sanoma state/isu program is different from the normal isu lpn/lvn to bsn distant learning program. first you will pay extra to sanoma state for someone to locate a clinical site for your clinicals. the cost is a minimum of $200 for each clinical. there is some difficulty finding clinicals in calif and you may be placed in facilities that are distant from where you live. isu goes through a sham requesting your input on something called a clinical map. you are to fill in the names of the facility your are interested in and the contact person. allegedly, the isu contact person will contact the facility. however, isu has been placing students for years and know which facilities will accept students without a onsite instructor and which will not. the clinical map exercise is a sham. the program is intense and i suggest you take one nursing class a semester. if you do not, you are at risk for failing out of the program. those who are taking two classes a semester are spending 12+ hrs a day x7 days a week to keep up with the reading, writing, and other course work. there appears to be a great deal of busy work added to the course work.
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  3. Visit  letitiakay profile page
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    Thanks for that info lady in scrubs. I was wondering about whether doing 1 or 2 classes a semester was doable as a working lpn. Now i know. I have been studying the ATI books for the subjects i need to test for. I passed a mental health course for my rn program i had to withdraw from. NOthing ever works out with my work schedule. That is the biggest issue with traditional programs.
  4. Visit  LadyinScrubs profile page
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    Thanks for that info lady in scrubs. I was wondering about whether doing 1 or 2 classes a semester was doable as a working lpn. Now i know. I have been studying the ATI books for the subjects i need to test for. I passed a mental health course for my rn program i had to withdraw from. NOthing ever works out with my work schedule. That is the biggest issue with traditional programs.
    Letitiakay, if you are in the California Sanoma/ISU program, you are assigned to clinicals. You must do the clinicals when they are assigned. The mental health can be done when you are available but the med surg must be done when you are assigned. This is different from the rest of the country but those students must personally arrange their clinicals.
  5. Visit  kellybelly515 profile page
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    I've been thinking about how to test out of the prereq classes without going through tcn, so any advice you have or if you could tell me how you did it that'd be great, im not sure how it works...thanks!!
    -Kelly[
    QUOTE=Tootie88;5883033]I chose ISU because it was nationally accredited and a lot of nurses I spoke with in my area (At Johns Hopkins and NIH) said that it was a very good program.

    I have taken all of my pre-reqs, 2brn. I'm definitely aiming to have all of m challenge exams done by June. I almost got sucked into TCN, but I've read a lot of posts that said they were unnecessary and too expensive. You only pay for the study guides and they are $630/ piece...No thanks! I will just make good use of the text books that I've already paid $200+ for and ATI helps a lot. And ISU already uses ATI so it's an easy transition.[/QUOTE]
  6. Visit  smashley10 profile page
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    Temeika,
    I'm also using college network. I'm going to do the quizzes and practice tests today and maybe take the test tomorrow or next week. I'll keep you posted on how it went
    Last edit by smashley10 on Mar 1, '12
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  7. Visit  smashley10 profile page
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    Ladyinscrubs,

    I called ISU to ask them about the clinical sites and she basically told me that as far as California students we have to find our own facility willing to accept a student and then fill out the clinical form and send it to ISU to approve. If they are not one of the sites ISU already works with then I need to start the process of ISU making a contract with them which could take up to 6 months. I asked her if I could just have the list of sites they already have contracts with to make it easier for myself and she laughed and said that's what all students ask for but they don't want to bombard those sites with a bunch of students, so they leave it up to us
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  8. Visit  LadyinScrubs profile page
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    Ladyinscrubs,

    I called ISU to ask them about the clinical sites and she basically told me that as far as California students we have to find our own facility willing to accept a student and then fill out the clinical form and send it to ISU to approve. If they are not one of the sites ISU already works with then I need to start the process of ISU making a contract with them which could take up to 6 months. I asked her if I could just have the list of sites they already have contracts with to make it easier for myself and she laughed and said that's what all students ask for but they don't want to bombard those sites with a bunch of students, so they leave it up to us

    I had to chuckle. First of all, the CA BON requires that ISU provide clinical sites. ISU has all the students fill out something called a "clinical map" during the first semester. The clinical map is just a fancy label for your list of clinicals sites you would like be placed at. You are to provide the clinical laision with the facility's address, phone number and contact person. However, this requirement is just busy work. In truth, the ISU liaison person knows exactly what facilities are available to ISU. Most of the facilities in California will not take students unless there is a instructor on site.

    Not answering you request about authorized sites in Calif is misleading and denies you the opportunity to do your due diligence. The truth is there are very few sites available in Calif and the ISU laision knows exactly what those sites are. There is no secret and ISU should not keep this a secret. IMO there is a serious problem placing students in clinical sites in Calif, and ISU is well aware of the problem. Yet, they keep taking students' money and making the classes so rigorous that many student drop out of the program. Yet, many students do get to the clinicals.

    What has happened is this: Students will take a clinical lecture class and then pass it and wait till there is an opening someplace or ISU hires a clinical instructor. The CA BON has stated that no Calif students can take two clinical classes a semester, but ISU is breaking that rule. What they are doing is the student passed the lecture and gets an incomplete. Then they start the next class that has a lecture and clinical. When there is a clinical opening, the student will do both clinicals at the same facility. That means the student is actually doing two clinicals during one semester, but because one semester is from an incomplete, this is how ISU is getting around the CA BON requirement.

    Bottomline: there is something fishy in the ISU clinical placement for California students. In the fine print, ISU states they are not responsible for locating clinical sites; however the BON states they are. Like signing up for TCN, be aware of what you are getting into with ISU--other than that, the program is fine but very, very rigorous. I do not suggest you take two classes a semester. If you do, do not work or have other responsibilities.
    Last edit by LadyinScrubs on Mar 3, '12
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  9. Visit  nitalpn profile page
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    LadyinScrubsWhat state r u in?
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    LadyinScrubsWhat state r u in?
    Nitalpn, if you are asking about my knowledge of the California program and the CA BON mandate to ISU, then please ask that question. Where I physically am located provides you with no actual information.
  11. Visit  nitalpn profile page
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    LadyinScrubsI was not asking about your knowledge of ISU nor specifics of the CA BON. I ask cause I was only looking at the different states students are in that are in the program.
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    Ladyin scrubs, i have a question, i called the lady and she said students are only allowed to take 2 classes a semester and no more than 2. Is is that really hard that they can't let me take 3 classes? And do you always have a test every week for each class or every other week? do they also give you areas to study from the book like it is in classes or you have to study the whole book and figure it yourself out? I am kind of nervous about online classes, i was used to classes where instructors tell us which areas to study. Does it work the same way with online?
  13. Visit  LadyinScrubs profile page
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    i have a question, i called the lady and she said students are only allowed to take 2 classes a semester and no more than 2. that requirement is for california students. the calif bon mandated that no more than 2 classes a semester and only one clinical a semester. isu is breaking that mandate because it cannot place students in clinicals. what they are doing is having students doing is two clinicals in one semester. one the first 9 weeks and another the 2nd 9 weeks (+ or - on the # of weeks).

    is is that really hard that they can't let me take 3 classes?
    if you are in calif, you cannot take 3 classes. outside calif, i believe you can take more. yet, do you want to take more classes. i have previously discussed how rigorous the classes are and that i advise any student who is working, has a family, or does not want to study 80+ hrs a week to take only one class a semester.

    and do you always have a test every week for each class or every other week?
    depends on the course. there may be quizzes each week and various large tests throughout the class.

    do they also give you areas to study from the book like it is in classes or you have to study the whole book and figure it yourself out? i am kind of nervous about online classes, i was used to classes where instructors tell us which areas to study. does it work the same way with online? at the beginning of the semester you will be provided a syllibus and study guide (which outlines what is to be done each week). each week you will be assigned reading from the book (which is outlined in the study guide) as well as what must be posted on the weekly discussion board as well as other assignments (papers, term projects...). if you expect the instructor to personally hold you hand and walk you through the program, this is not the program for you. you will be given the tools and it is up to you to interpret it and provide an outcome that fits the instructor's requirements. sometimes the professor responds to emails and most of the the email requests for info go unanswered.

    if you are using the isu distant learning program as an easy way to earn your bsn, you are thinking wrong. this program is far more rigorous than the regular bsn in a brick and mortar program. should you need more clarification about the program, read my previous posts.
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  14. Visit  LadyinScrubs profile page
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    LadyinScrubsI was not asking about your knowledge of ISU nor specifics of the CA BON. I ask cause I was only looking at the different states students are in that are in the program.
    nitalpn, where a student at ISU is located does not help you because there are students across the US and international students.


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