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- Apr 18, '09 by GoodoldnurseYou sound very frustrated. Use this experience to mold how you will treat new nurses or team members.
I will give you an "GOOD JOB!!!!" since you have made it this far! Positive thoughts for you when taking the NCLEX!! :clphnds:
- Apr 18, '09 by 2btmanrnhello, everyone! good morning. i have a classmate here with me and she would like to make several comments based on her experience with our school and the hesi exam. please, be kind with your replies. please. note, this is her opinion and her experiences! lets respect that. thank you!
[color=#333333]the academic staff at one of the city colleges of chicago awarded me my grades, which indicates mastery of their nursing program.
[color=#333333]i was unsuccessful with the hesi exit exam, an exam that was utilized to protect their own pass rates two months before my graduation. the city colleges of chicago is implementing this exam only as an obstacle to prevent myself and other qualified classmates from taking the nclex rn exam. this strategy shows only one design, and that is only to give an artificially inflated pass rate for the school. which indicates that the city colleges of chicago lacks concern of the success of their students, but is only concern in protecting their own pass rates. i am not arguing the importance of appropriate and relevant testings. but the city colleges of chicago is using this exam to deny me and other classmates who have successfully completed the academic program the opportunity to graduate and sit for boards.
it all boils down to the city colleges of chicago not having confidence in their own academic program. they are trying to bolster their nclex pass rates by eliminating me and other classmates from the test pool. if they have legitimate reason to question me and other students' ability to pass nclex, then why have i passed all of their nursing classes? if i had any unsatisfactory performance i should have been weeded out of the program long before completing the program! i provided above standard care of my patients and received excellent evaluations/competency from my instructors for the two years that i was in the program. my family and i sacrificed a lot. i completed the program, and paid my tuitions. my score was 85%, which indicates the probability by percentage of passing the state boards exam (nclex rn). olive harvey college stated they will not allow me to sit for boards or give me my nursing degree unless i scored 87% or above. the hesi exam is not a competency exam. only the nclex rn is the nationally recognized competency exam. i have accumulated over 100 college credit hours and most are nursing. nursing courses are not transferable. there over 1 Ĺ yr. long waiting list in other nursing programs. i am in debt from college loans and with no degree to show for it. does this sound fair to you?
in simple terms what am i talking about?
what is the hesi exit exam? its an exam that determines the probability by percentage if you will pass the nclex rn exam. it is also used for both the faculty and students, to determine the student and nursing curriculum of their areas of weakness. in other words, itís a probability and assessment exam.
for example, there are 43 students who completed the nursing program. out of the 43 students only three passed the hesi exit exam. out the three who passed the hesi exit exam, only two passed the nclex rn exam. now, the school can state that they have 99% nclex pass rate. according to the state requirement, if nursing programs can show they have above 87% nclex first time test taker pass rate (i think that the%) they can attain more money from the state and it will bait more investors. but, what nobody knows is that, the 40 students who completed the program, cannot attain their nursing degree or take the nclex rn exam. those 40 students are left with nothing but a student loan, low self esteem, and humiliation. four years of nursing school down the drain.
one more thing, there are seven colleges within the city colleges of chicago. therefore, if there are 40 students who were unsuccessful, that would not include all the other six colleges. you can assume, 40 students times 6 colleges. plus, students graduate in december and may. thatís 240 students times 2. you do the math. my classmates have been without their earned degree since 2006. i can assure you, currently, this sort of deceptive practice is still occurring city college wide. those students who were not successful, were abandoned by the school.
another thing, the city college policy is so subjective. they chose who can and cannot re-take the hesi exam. nobody knows how and why, but its true.
here is the kicker. you can take the nclex rn exam, according to the state licensing board up to twelve times within three years. but, the city colleges of chicago only counts those students who will pass nclex rn exam the first time. the second time test takers donít count. i wonder how many excellent doctors, and lawyers passed their boards the first time? i would like to hear from other city colleges of chicago nursing students who are going through this. we need to get together democratically and voice our concerns. this sort of diagnostic test is not being utilized in medical school. mayor daley i hope you will read this. how many times did it take you to pass your bar exam?
there are a lot of issues and concerns regarding the punitive uses of this exam. the creator of hesi, susan morrison has stated herself that she did not create these exams for punitive reasons, but as a learning tool. i hope i have a few supporters regarding this issue. if the city colleges of chicago truly wanted their students to be successful, they should have utilized the hesi exam throughout the curriculum and not just at the end. it should have been implemented after each nursing course, which will give the student familiarity base, and used accordingly as an assessment tool for both the faculty and student. why did they have to wait until we have completed the program? can you imagine? you received you final grades, than for the school to tell you, ďoh by the way, you have to take another test, if you donít pass this one, you will not get your nursing degree and you wonít be able sit for your licensing board?Ē
i would like nothing more than your support. help my classmates, please. if you have any question please ask away. you can research this issue, there are a lot of students who have voiced their concerns. i am afraid this sort of deceptive practice is becoming a trend with most nursing programs. other programs, have taken accountability and fixed their mistakes. unfortunately, the city colleges of chicago have not. i doubt that they will.
contact mayor daley, senator dick durbin, reporters, past, current students, nurses and anyone else you can think of to attend and advocate us. please!
the next board meeting will be held thursday, may 7, 2009 at 9:00 a.m. room 300 district office, 226 west jackson boulevard, chicago, il 60606.
my classmates and i do not have anymore money to take them to court and we donít have the resources. telling our story is all i, we have. i pray a savior will come. i have faith in the lord in the people. mind you, we are not asking for a free-ride. we asking for what we worked hard for Ė the opportunity to take the nclex rn exam.
i am sorry if this is so lengthy. i am sure that some of you can understand how much pain i am in. i and my classmates are suffering fiancially. please, help us.
- Apr 18, '09 by 2btmanrnas months pass by, i have come to realize that there are more than just my classmates out there within the city colleges of chicago whose lives have been damaged severly by the lack of accountability. how many more students, how many more?
in my opinion, making a whole degree hinge on a single test is wrong, and using that to artificially inflate a college's pass rate is truly dishonest, rather deceptive. why not just give the degree if earned and permission to test and let nclex do the test? that is what medical schools and law schools do. passing the exam is up to the students. if the college does this, then why not put up the honest statistics and let the consumer decide where to spend their dollars? where is the consumer protection here? it's absent, i'd say.
researched has been done and the psychological consequences and they are more disturbing. using a qualitative design, 10 nursing graduates who had failed the nclex-rn were interviewed to gain an understanding of this experience. several themes emerged including: carrying failure as a daily burden; losing the of identity of being a nurse; doubting past accomplishments; seeing self as damaged goods; wanting support; and daring to hope. the authors described the experience of nclex-rn failure resulting in feelings of abandonment. in addition, graduates who failed the nclex-rn stated they felt cut off from the community of faculty and students who had been important to their learning experience while in a nursing program.
this is how what we are experiencing. we were qualified to enter the nursing program, passed each nursing courses, paid our tuitions, and completed the program. approximately, 50% of my classmates who completed the program are without a degree and cannot sit for the nclex examination.
please attend the meeting and support the students who deserves the opportunity to take the nclex rn exam.
- Apr 18, '09 by RC2007I am so grateful to have joined this site and have read 2btmanrn's views about HESI. My friend and I will definitely be there on May 7, 2009. I am one of those unfortunate students who failed HESI and cannot sit in the board. I actually finished with honors and have marched for graduation in 2007 but failed the second test. I audited another year and according to them, I have one more chance to take it. I paid another year of tuition and fees. I didn't get any grade but was still required to pass all my courses. I have not surpassed the fear and feelings of being a failure after I failed the test. Hesi totally killed all the hope I have left. I feel that I am unjustly punished by HESI. I passed all my courses, in colors and still has this overwhelming fear. There are so many students just like me who continues to struggle with HESI. Some students were not even granted their Bachelor's degree just because they failed the HESI. I lost 2 years of income since I have to go to school twice and have loans to finance my studies. We definitley should fight for this. We are good students, have passed all the required courses and it is unfair not to be granted this degree just because of HESI. Hesi should be helping students NOT killing their hopes and dreams.
- Apr 18, '09 by valmor1984Here is the bottom line: <o></o>
If a school's first-time NCLEX pass rate falls below a certain percent, the State Board of Nursing becomes involved and could actually close a school if the rates drop too far below a certain percentage. Using NCLEX predictor examinations as a requirement in the program (such as HESI or ATI) allows programs to identify students who are still at risk of failing NCLEX. These students put the put the school at risk of closing, if they are allowed to "take the chance" and then fail the NCLEX.
“Fine!” you may respond. “If a school is not performing, it SHOULD be closed down.” In many ways that is true, but think of this: if a school closes due to low pass rates, that is one less school that can serve students who want to be nurses. Raising admission standards, raising passing percentages in courses, and eliminating “participation points” (and other such grade-inflating credits in courses) would do lot toward keeping only those students in a program who were capable of academic success, and were able to pass NCLEX on the first attempt.
<o></o>Then, of course, we would have the other side of this tedious argument: “THEY fail too many people! Those heartless instructors!”
Here is an interesting article on the subject, with a few comments from me:
• Grade inflation is a factor leading to a low NCLEX pass rate in some nursing education programs, particularly in programs that allow significant point credit in theory courses for attendance, participation, and completion of assignments. (So, you could be an “A student” and still not have the knowledge base needed to pass NCLEX. Students often complain that “we should have more ways to get good grades other than quizzes and tests…some people just are not good test takers, but they would be great nurses”….Clue: the NCLEX is a test. I create grading opportunities that reflect the nature of the licensure exam, both in format and in difficulty. GET good at taking tests. This takes effort on the part of the student).
• Student characteristics identified by programs as leading to NCLEX failure include a high number of work hours, family commitments, English as a second language, and low admission points. (Ask yourself how much the efforts of faculty will help if a student works too much to devote sufficient time to study, has overwhelming family or personal concerns, has difficulty understanding the material , or came to school with poor academic preparation. Much as faculty would like to think they can, they CAN’T fix everything).
Nursing education programs tend to take similar actions to address NCLEX pass rate concerns. Actions commonly taken by programs include:
o Initiating the use of an NCLEX predictor examination as a requirement in the program (which we have done; to date, all our students have ultimately passed the HESI (about 1/3 need three tries) and our pass rate is well above the national average each year).
o Requiring students to complete NCLEX review, tutoring, or other actions if the predictor examination score is low (We provide intensive counseling and remediation, both at the midcurricular and the exit exam).
o Increasing the minimum passing grade (something I am very much in favor of; we have established that students who consistently have a course grade of 77% or less are at high risk of not passing the HESI on the first attempt, and are at a much higher risk of failing the NCLEX).
o Providing faculty education in the areas of the NCLEX examination and test development skills (we have monthly faculty development meetings on this very subject).
o Changing or increasing admission requirements (something we are considering)
http://articles.directorym.com/Nursi...-a1022926.html<o></o>Last edit by valmor1984 on Apr 18, '09
- Apr 19, '09 by stustressed2btmanrn....AMEN to you..if I lived in chicago I'd be there on May 7.
GoodOldNurse-thank you for your thoughts
- Apr 19, '09 by KAYBDT6Am so pleased with your thought. Hesi Exit Test had jeopardize my dream. Am an 'A' student and work so hard during my Nursing program to make it to the top but the so call Hesi . Never failed any nursing classes but because i didn't make the cut of point 850 3x. i was forced to register for remedial classes which i think is of no important to me. The worst of it all, the instructor taking the class. She has no knowledge of anything.I dont think Hesi should determine our faith in graduating after spending so much time, money and stress will make our family goes through during the program. :angryfire:angryfire. Any on how to ban the so call HESI in Nursing school!Last edit by KAYBDT6 on Apr 19, '09 : Reason: err
- Apr 19, '09 by oct3dHesi is a very touchy subject for me because I had to do it 4 times it was very hard and used by some schools for all the wrong reasons I passed my boards on my very first attempt because the imformation was things I could relate to maybe even saw before I can say if you use your Lippincottt and Saunders it would be helpful you and your classmates are lucky you only need an 850 on hesi my classmates and I were told the same thing when we started but 6 months before taking the hesi the school hired a new chair and after giving us a Sandra B Smith review about one before taking hesi she raised the passing score to 1000 this was done because the school needed to be fully accredited and didn't want to take any chances myself and my collegues about 40 of us have all passed our boards on the 1st try and out of the forty of us more than 20 of us almost fail out because of Hesi it is no joke good luck
- Apr 20, '09 by 2btmanrnWell, if it took Mayor Daley twice to pass his BAR exam, the school would not count him. If his school had HESI he woudln't of been able to take his BAR exam, anyway.
The HESI is a predictor. According to our school, you must pass it by 87% or higher. Meaning, you have an 87% or higher chance of passing NCLEX exam the first time.
Remember, the school receives more money, funding if the NCLEX pass rate is high for "first time test takers," ONLY. The second time test takers are NOT counted.
I am familiar with all the debates of HESI. The TRUTH is, it is the duty of the faculty/program to assess each student. If the teacher passed you for whatever reason, it is NOT the students fault. Is it?
If you completed the program, you deserve the opportunity to take the NCLEX. Correct?
If the program is so worried about closing, than they should do their jobs. Correct?
Instead, they take a shortcut and use the HESI exit exam. Right?
You can re take NCLEX up to 12 times, but HESI once or twice? NCLEX is the state mandated exam, HESI is a predictor exam. The State only recognzes first time test test takers, not second or third, yet again, you can take NCLEX up to 12 times?
So, its the student's fault that they passed each nurisng courses, provided safe care to patients for free for two to three years, and complied with the student policy handbook???????
- Apr 20, '09 by 2btmanrnLOOKING FOR..
STUDENTS who have attended any of the seven city colleges of chicago nursing program to come and support our mission to utilize HESI accordingly. We completed the program, therefore, we deserve to be given the opportunity to take NCLEX RN Exam. Please attend the meeting on May 7 at 800am at the District Office. Past, and current students and instructors are MOST welcome!
Its time that we all unite as one. Please e mail or contact everyone.