Military Nursing Questions Answered - page 12
Hello. I have seen many questions posted about the recruiting, the military, and future military experiences, I wanted to start a Q & A forum where you can ask questions related to the military from... Read More
Dec 5, '12 by PCroizierI've been following this thread for awhile now and wanted to say thanks navyman.
Your last post shocked me a little.
Working bedside in your uniform!? I thought maybe insignia scrubs or something, but in uniform seems a little uncomfortable,especially your shoes!
Also your comment about insubordination from superior nurses was a little concerning. If one were to consult the MD would that be insubordination?
Dec 6, '12 by DSchulte99I work in my NWUs and khakis on fridays on a medsurg floor. It's not terrible. We are getting NWU scurb tops but still have to wear our boots. Also our LnD has their own scrubs.
Dec 6, '12 by Dassit82, BSNThanks again, Navyman. That was very helpful to see the list of the pros and cons. I'm surprised by some of the cons as I didn't know about the uniform to work situation. Also, the calling in sick doesn't sound like fun - though I only called out of work once in the past 3 years and it was because I wasn't coming in to do Accounting while Hurrican Sandy was raging outside!I actually spoke to my recruiter last night. It looks like I missed the cutoff for the NCP anyway. She told me that if i'm still interested after graduation next March, then to look into the AD route. Thanks again for your mentoring. We are all very appreciative of the information and it's really helping me make a better decision about this. I'm still very interested.
Dec 6, '12 by Dassit82, BSNQuote from Dassit82Sorry - DA route. I'm still learning all of the terminology!She told me that if i'm still interested after graduation next March, then to look into the AD route.
Dec 6, '12 by staugnurseAs a navy nurse is it possible to work prn as a civilian? I realize Navy commitments would come first.
Dec 6, '12 by PCroizierQuote from DSchulte99Your NWU is long sleeve though yes?I work in my NWUs and khakis on fridays on a medsurg floor. It's not terrible. We are getting NWU scurb tops but still have to wear our boots. Also our LnD has their own scrubs.
Dec 6, '12 by PCroizierQuote from PCroizierNevermind! I re-read to see you are getting scrub tops...I was imagining a transmissions nightmare since they appear to be a little loose.
Your NWU is long sleeve though yes?
Dec 6, '12 by navyman7Sorry to be a downer in the last post. I was trying not to be but the list above is just a sample from what I hear people talk/complain about. Thanks for mentioning L&D and the NWU scrub tops. From what I have seen, not many sport the scrub top as it isn't as comfy as true scrubs. The plus side is is that it isn't long sleeve.
About the insubordination thing. It's tricky. If you work at the big 3, then you are going to be working around interns/residents who aren't as knowledgable as a fellow/attending. Now you can question them about orders and things, but it's a fine line. You don't want to be disrespectful but you do need to use critical thinking/good judgement and do what's best for the patient. Sometimes you do HAVE to do what the MD says because you risk being insubordinate. When you get in those situations then you have to turn to your charge nurse and division officer/dept head. It can be challenging at times. Especially at night when you don't have the support staff there to back you up. This also goes for the senior nursing staff too. Again they haven't necessarily been at the bedside in a long time and may make policy/procedures based on what they think is right. And you can't really question them about it or they can make your life miserable.
If others have some pros/cons that they want to add, please list them. I am trying to present all the good/bad the military offers. I know that sometimes recruiters paint a one sided pretty picture and many people are disappointed after they join because they didn't have all the facts from the begining.
Dec 9, '12 by DSchulte99Quote from staugnurseAs a new grad our DNS told us get a year or exp on the floor then we can moonlight.As a navy nurse is it possible to work prn as a civilian? I realize Navy commitments would come first.
Quote from PCroizierIf your sleeves are not rolled up there are buttons at the end to have the sleeve fit your wrist better.Nevermind! I re-read to see you are getting scrub tops...I was imagining a transmissions nightmare since they appear to be a little loose.
If anyone has any other questions let me know I am down at NAS Pensacola.
Dec 10, '12 by nursespouseJust speaking from being the husband of a civilian nurse, alot of the cons, are general cons you deal with even in the civilian sector. Sick call is just a military thing as milingering can be detrimental to a unit. As an earlier poster said, they only used a sick day because of the hurricane, that is what they do not want happening, which is why they make you go to sick call if sick, it does kinad suck though. But honestly most of those cons are cons int he civilian life, except the deployment and moving, but that isnt a surprise to anyone joining the military I hope.
Dec 11, '12 by navyman7NurseSpouse: Thanks for your input, but I would disagree regarding the Cons. I have worked in the civilian sector and know that many of the cons are not also found in civilian life.
Some examples of only being found in the military are:
-Working long hours with out any kind of compensation, payback, or overtime. Working call without any kind of compensation or consideration to the hours you've just worked. (in civilian life you get compensated when you take call or have to work longer hours than scheduled. You also get shift differentials for the varying hours you work. Not so in the Navy)
-Endless hours/days of pointless training that has no bearing on your job, again on your days off most of the time (General Military Training-GMT's, NKO "training", Deplolyment Training, etc). (again in the civilian world you would be paid for having to attend training)
-Sometimes no say as to where you work. (when you are hired in the civilian world, you know exactly where you are going to work. They don't surprise you one day saying you are now going to work in L&D or on the MedSurg floor.)
-Deployments (enough said)
-Moving every few years, very few exceptions to this. Sometimes to underdesirable locations. (will definitely not happen in the civilian world either)
-Very difficult taking vacation (I will agree it can be hard in the civilian world.)
-Having to work under nurses in supervisory positions who haven't worked at the bedside in years. Also having to do what they say despite their inexperience in a certain area. (I know this happens in the civilian world too, but at least you can work with HR/Unions if someone isn't safe or if they are clueless. Not the case in the military, you do what they say or its insubordination.)
-The more experieced you become and more senior in rank you become the farther away from the bedside that you become, very little exceptions to this. (This also wouldn't happen in the civilian world without you agreeing to this.)
-Working in your uniform at the bedside, not all work in their uniforms but many do (the exceptions are; ED, OR, ICU, L&D) (Doesn't happen it the civilian world.)
-The military health care system (for you). Having to go to appointments in uniform. Having to go to the hospital sickcall if you are sick. Can't just call in and say that you are sick. (again, not in the civilian world)
-Can be hard on families, family relationships. (Any job can be hard, I will agree)
-Opportunity for more school with a variable payback length and possible increase in deployments.
(not applicable in the civilian world)
With that said, I love the Navy and getting to serve our country. I am trying to present all the facts for those looking to join. I am not trying to sway anyone in a specific way. As my original post implied, I joined under wrong information that was hard to get used to and want others to have all the facts out there. Thank you all for your input and experiences.
Dec 12, '12 by austeremednavyman7,
Thanks for all of your very candid information throughout this post! You are a wealth of experience and knowledge, again, thanks. Before I ask any questions, I will give you some quick background info: AD AF for 5 years, AF Reserves for 5 years as a medic and recently separated from the AF completely. BSN for 1.5 yrs as ICU (trauma/neuro) nurse, working on CCRN.
With all of that time given to federal service, I am contemplating rejoining AD through either the AF (which I know) or the Navy. Do you, knowing what you know now, think it is worth putting up with all of the cons that you mentioned, which I might add are very accurate, for the pro's? Retirement, benefits, decent salary if you don't count the BS that you MUST put up with, opportunity for educational advancements i.e. NP, CRNA, decent pay check when you "retire?"
Dec 12, '12 by navyman7Austeremed:
Honestly you need to ask yourself if you can deal with everything that you left. Is it worth putting up with all that for 10 more years? Don't forget that you can work at the VA and apply your time in the military towards retirement there. It also depends on what your goals are, like NP/CRNA etc. Do you want to pay for that yourself or let the military do it knowing what that means, more deployments etc. FYI, the Navy's deployments are approx. 8 months long. I have no idea how long the AF deployments are.