Employer's negative response to Reserves

  1. 3 years ICU/CCU experience. CCRN.

    I started work at teaching/research hospital in the CCU one month ago. I am
    super happy here, loving the job. I have been interested in the Air Force
    and joining as a reservist at some point in the future. I haven't even
    talked to a recruiter only looked up about it on the internet. Well
    I emailed my new manager and asked her what she thought about
    my joining the reserves in the future and that I had not joined and that
    I just wanted to "test the waters" with her and see what she thought.

    Her response was very negative. I was surprised that a teaching facililty
    would not recognize the clear advantage of having military nurses among
    their staff.

    She said that I should have told her about this when I interviewed
    and that if I wasn't committed to (hospital) I needed to come see her
    immediately. She inferred that I was not committed to my new position
    simply because I had expressed interest in the reserves!
    Also she said the vacation leave was already granted for 2011 and
    that I didn't have enough PTO anyway.

    I emailed her back saying that all I had done was to research
    the idea, hadn't even TALKED to a recruiter and that I would
    revisit the idea in 2012, next year given her response.

    I am worried she might now let me go as I am in the first 90
    days of my employment, the probationary period because I
    have expressed interest in the reserves. It's really
    ashame that she would react so negatively when all I did
    was ask what she thought to get her feed back about the
    subject?. I was very nice about it.

    As much as I like this job, I find the lack of support for the
    military making me rethink my position there. It's a shame
    more hospitals don't support the members of the military.
    Military nurses are tough and having one on your civilian
    unit is a total privilege.

    Any one have any similar experience? Thoughts on this?
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  3. by   SoldierNurse22
    I haven't had this experience as a nurse, but when I was a nurse's aide, I was working at a hospital where they made me use my PTO for my training time, which happened to be 30 days long. I had to scramble to find a sub for my schedule work hours when I got home upon finding out that my PTO was gone. I received no apologies from the scheduling office and no help from them in finding a sub. It's unfortunate, but many hospitals see nurses who have a committment to the military as being uncommitted to the hospital. You're right: it's a shame and a disgrace on the hospital for not supporting us as we support our men and women overseas. When/if I leave active duty as an Army nurse, I personally will never go back to work at the hospital I was at again unless I see a marked difference in their attitude toward the armed services. If you decide to leave your position, I wouldn't blame you a bit.
  4. by   tahoe77
    I just did a search on google and my hospital was sued by a nurse for discrimination in 2007. She
    was high ranking in the military as a reservist having served for many years and
    had a high level RN administrative position at my hospital.
    They let her go after she told her supervisor she was to be deployed again.

    the hospital lost the lawsuit.

    It appears they have not changed as an institution.

    I am just hoping they don't let me go now that they know I am interested in joining the reserves as I
    am still in the 90 probationary period all RNs go through as new hires.

    It seems like I should be able to take unpaid leave time for my initial training. If I don't have
    enough PTO then so be it. What does it matter to the hospital if they pay me via my vacation time
    or not during my training? They seem to be saying, generally, that you can't go train for military if
    you don't have enough vacation time saved up to take that time off. In my mind being granted
    time off to train and being paid for your time off are two separate things. hmmmm. frustrating
    I am sure this was for you. It feels like they are trying to use the PTO rules to punish people
    who are serving.
  5. by   79Tango
    If you are on military orders your employer has to give you the time off. Some with pay/most do not. It is also a misdemeanor for them to descriminate you.

    With that being said.. I have NEVER EVER even told them I was in the Guard until AFTER I have gotten the job. Then it is too late!

    You might want to explain to your Manager the chances of you being selected for the AF are slim and the process is long.
  6. by   tahoe77
    wait, what do you mean my chances of being selected for the AF are slim? Is that true? How do
    you know my chances?
  7. by   tahoe77
    Also I HAVE already gotten the job. I am in the automatic probation period that all nurses
    go through when they are hired, like I said in my post.
  8. by   79Tango
    What I was saying is I am already in and I would never mention in a job interview that I need 1-weekend a month, 2weeks a year and Oh Yeah there is a possibility of a deployment.

    Had you done the slightest research you would see that all branches of the Military are full. The AF has always been the toughest and rumor has they are downsizing... thats how I know your chances.
  9. by   79Tango
    and I know you've ALREADY gotten the job.... Its a good thing you like it.
  10. by   CRF250Xpert
    surprise; many nurses are lefty mil-hater goofballs. if i’ve said it once, i’ve said it every day – the only problem with nursing is that it’s run by nurses.
  11. by   tahoe77
    Hey Tango,
    Thanks for the feedback. I looked around at some of the posts
    and like you said generally it is hard to be accepted for a position
    right now, too many applicants I guess. I feel bad for all
    the new grads being told there is a nursing shortage and
    then not being able to find work. I wasn't exactly sure of your
    tone bc this is the internet and sometimes its hard to tell
    what people are implying.

    It seems like it would be easier for someone like me, approaching
    4 years exp and CCRN critical care and trauma certification.

    If it's as hard I have been reading that really is a measure
    of how the economy has slowed, new grads looking for work.

    I do think I have some other qualifications that make me
    an attractive candidate for the military. I will still talk to the
    recruiter and start the long process. The truth is I've been
    thinking about this for about three years and I just can't let
    it go. I want to join. The fact that my manager was negative
    just made me want it more.
  12. by   tahoe77
    Quote from crf250xpert
    surprise; many nurses are lefty mil-hater goofballs. if i've said it once, i've said it every day - the only problem with nursing is that it's run by nurses.

    i'm a lefty and i totally support the mil. the situation with my manager is more complex than simple rep vs. dem. there
    are institutional pressures, financial pressures etc on the manager. not that i support her negative stance, i just don't think
    it has anything to do with her being a lefty.

    somehow i don't even think you are a nurse the way you speak about
    my profession...."the only problem with nursing is that its run by nurses". some of the toughest finest people
    i ever met are nurses and it offends me that you would say something like this.

    if you even are a nurse, i dare you to do better. i dare you to participate in unit councils and committees and
    bring about the changes you think are necessary to improve nursing as a whole. if you aren't willing
    to improve nursing than please get out of my way and take a seat.

  13. by   oaktown2
    tahoe77 - I would go for it, the worst that can happen is that you don't get selected and then you decide if you want to try again. I'm in a similar position (though I am trying for new grad slots) and I figure I don't have much to lose other than the time I spend collecting all of the various paperwork. It's something I want and I would much rather know that I tried my best and didn't get selected than wonder what would have happened if I had applied. And who knows, you just might get selected!
  14. by   79Tango
    I would encourage you to go for it.. Go find a recruiter and submit your packet! You will not regret your decsion.

    What youve encountered is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the discrimination and stereo typing that happens to many Veterans & Prior Service Military.

    Many think we are still crazy from the war and are just waiting to "Freak Out" on someone. Others will say "your not going to kick my butt, if I schedule you this weekend?" Others will hang on everything you say waiting to catch you up on some BS sexual harrassment or inapropriate language.. They assume we go home and night to clean weapons and sharpen our knives.

    The nice thing about the Reserves is when the s*** gets thick at work you can volunteer for active duty assignments anywhere from 2weeks to 2months depending on the mission. You slap those orders on your boss and tell them to keep your seat warm.