I flunked out of clinical today.. - page 5

I`m devastated.. This was my last semester.. 3 weeks away from graduation. What happened is I didn`t have my watch for clinical and that was a break in dress code.. and when I went to take a vital... Read More

  1. Visit  NursingBro profile page
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    Something similar happened to my friend. She was a great person and we all filled up letters to the dean to help her out. Nothing helped and she was kicked out of nursing school.

    Her reason is the clinical instructor would always pick on her. (it was the truth). One day my friend got so angry/sad and started crying uncontrollably. She left the clinical site because she couldn't stop crying and that was the last of her.

    She was one semester from graduating and lost it all because of that instructor. The weird thing is that same clinical instructor was very nice to me. Almost too nice. It seems she picks on one person each group she gets.

    I hope things turn out ok for you. I have learned alot from this and I will never have my phone with me during work (if i pass the nclex and get a job). I will have it in my car.
  2. Visit  mursetudent25 profile page
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    Yes, phones and nursing is a huge thing for some reason. Beware. Also don't be afraid of "lawyering up" and reading the school policy book and consulting with student advocates.

    Quote from NursingBro
    Something similar happened to my friend. She was a great person and we all filled up letters to the dean to help her out. Nothing helped and she was kicked out of nursing school.

    Her reason is the clinical instructor would always pick on her. (it was the truth). One day my friend got so angry/sad and started crying uncontrollably. She left the clinical site because she couldn't stop crying and that was the last of her.

    She was one semester from graduating and lost it all because of that instructor. The weird thing is that same clinical instructor was very nice to me. Almost too nice. It seems she picks on one person each group she gets.

    I hope things turn out ok for you. I have learned alot from this and I will never have my phone with me during work (if i pass the nclex and get a job). I will have it in my car.
  3. Visit  MedChica profile page
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    I wouldn't be threatening anyone with lawyers. You have the school's ear and you're being given a chance. The other instructors will go to bat for you if you've been a good student, thus far.
    Just explain yourself. No blaming. No anger. Just be honest. Pure facts.

    If you know that they're planning to kick you out? Seek legal advice.

    Threatening this school with legal action right off the bat? That's a good way to get the reject button. Don't do it.
    Are you in the wrong? Not to me. However, I also believe that the school has no reason to NOT believe the instructor, 'specially with you emoting and 'fumbling' about. Seems like you didn't defend yourself properly. I mean, I'm reading your responses and I'm confused. LOL I can't figure out what VSs were the initial.
    First it was 170-117...then it was 98- 100-something? I get the gist, though.
    I'm not giving legal advice, but screaming, 'I'm gonna get my lawyer' might make things worse. It's overkill.

    Quote from cjoy55
    I guess what I meant to say is that if she was on the job she could have asked a coworker to borrow a watch etc.. Being a student she was afraid of getting in trouble. Her mistake was just not fessing up to not having a watch but if she has a instructor that is anything like mine I can understand she was scared in the moment and made a bad decision. I think its crazy that would be grounds for dismisal. Btw still not sure why using a cell phone is wrong. It's a must to have a cell phone for us at clinical for using the drug apps and texting the instructor when we need her.
    Exactly.
    OP's seeming lack of confidence in her abilities was spurred on by the 'missing watch/dresscode' situation. She was trying to hurry up, palpate and take it with her cell before the instructor took notice. I understand. Had she gone to my school, the clinical instructor would've sent her home for being 'without her equipment'. A zero for the day...all but ensuring that you don't graduate with your class. My school patch fell off my uniform and 10 points were deducted from my grade.
    I mean, really?
    As I see it, the OP was just nervous. She's recording info incorrectly and fumbling about.
    Seems like she probably had the correct HR the first time.
    If the second but accurate HR was 117, per first post....and she initially 'recorded' 170 (perhaps meaning 107 OR 117...doesn't 170 kinda sound like 117)? I'm thinking that she wasn't that far off, the first time.

    Besides -- if 'covering up' were the intent, wouldn't an individual pick a 'normal/less critical' HR...or something in line with the pt's norms?

    Anyway, you know how many times I've loaned my BP cuff and thermometer to a nurse? D'you know how many times I had to borrow my coworker's watch (mine was broken) before I rec'vd my first check? It happens.

    Quote from Student2001
    I totally understand where you are coming from. I have never gotten bad vitals before and have never charted anything inaccurately. I have never covered any other tasks.. but they said right when I was talking to them I wonder if you would be truthful in making a med error/mistake if you did something like this- it really has to do with character. patient was 2 yrs old, HR was under 98 the first time and 160 when doing apically .. the colleague did not do the HR, he just went in with me to let me use his watch.
    I understand the purpose, but I can't even say this would qualify as a correct assessments of one's character.

    I'll tell you like this: I wouldn't have said crap about a cheating classmate. Perhaps in the beginning of nursing school when it would've ****** me off to know that someone's taking the top spot that the rest of us were earning. But...by the end school? It didn't matter much. Whatever was going on, I didn't want to be bothered with it. I didn't need anyone mentioning my name. I was just like, "Gimme my damned genie lamp and let me get the hell outta here!" LOL
    Now? I can say that I wouldn't. That's them.
    Let NCLEX weed them out. It's not a hard test, but...it does 'assume knowledge' and tests crit thinking abilities. Also, ensures that the new nurse has 'minimum competancy'. So, if the cheater can pass boards? They obviously know a thing or two. They've earned the right to call themselves, 'Nurse'.

    Does that have anything to do with my real world conduct? Nope.

    I'd tell in a heartbeat if someone were diverting meds. LOL I will sing like a canary on my own mother! Are you kidding me? When the count's off and cannot be explained or corrected? The pooh is about to hit the fan. Any and everyone who'd done the count is coming under fire. Licenses are on the line.
    So, if I see anything odd? I'm tellin'! I'm gonna tell! LOL
    The nurse cart doesn't have many meds or narcs. I dislike holding the med aide cart keys, though. I did med aide for the first week of my GVN training. Ugh. I want as little to with 'The Med Cart' as possible.

    I've had one med error in 5 months (non-narc. I gave the anti-htn meds w/o taking the bp/hr even though I brought the d*mned steth/cuff in the room and WROTE 'TAKE BP' ON THE FREAKIN' CUP AS A REMINDER! sigh. It was one of those days. I was all over the place. Juggling multiple tasks and that's what did it). Her hr was in the 40's. Low to begin with. I thought, "Oh crap!"
    Yes...I did inform. I was embarassed, but I didn't think twice about doing it.

    (Gave her a coke, pushed fluids and took bp and 'cont'd to monitor'. She was fine.)

    Good luck to you.
    Last edit by MedChica on Nov 23, '12
  4. Visit  jacksonleo profile page
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    For those of you who say "not to lawyer up", you really should go back and read the original posts... OP really has no more choices left, she has one more opportunity to write a letter but the decision has already pretty much been made. So, let the letter MEAN something like "I have rights and I am not gonna let you take them away without a fight."

    By the way, many here keep saying to do it the "professional way." This is the professional way, this happens every day in this country, a professional does not sit on his/her rearend and simply let people bulldoze them.... You fight for fairness, it shows that you are a professional and may indicate what kind of patient advocate you are... If you can't fight for yourself, what kind of fight are you gonna put up for your patients when they need you???...
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  5. Visit  Hopesalive profile page
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    For the op,

    I have not had time to read all of the comments and good advice, so I don't know if it has been mentioned.......are the credits you have transferable? If so give it your best try by honestly and earnestly applying to another school, I'm sure the question will come up "why are you applying here now, when so close to graduation?" either then begin to explain or possibly the better way is to explain to the powers that be before applying. If it is a "school rule" that was broken and no further complaints to the state, NLN or anything similar.......then attempt it and give it all you have with humility and kindness. It's a real heart-breaker to be kicked out at this point and hopefully some one will agree with that and be willing to take you. How are your grades ......... any warnings or disciplines against you before this? Don't give up at any cost, I failed to prime my line before connecting it o-0...I was a nervous wreck...some one took pity on me, but I went through a really bad time first. Please let us know how you're doing.
  6. Visit  Student2001 profile page
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    sorry guys... just read all of the posts that i havent had a chance to read in the last few days. Happy Turkey and Black-friday day! I have since sent out my plea letter, with several friends/coworkers/neighbors/RN`s vouching for me with their letters as well. Hopefully this helps a little.. i`ll know by late-december which is a little odd that i`m made to wait this long.. anyways I know a lot of people are saying to sue.. and some are saying to definitely not sue.. but I don`t think I want to hurt my chances by suing or threatening legal action before i know the ultimate decision .. they could end up giving me another chance even without doing this.. there is always time to go the extra mile after getting their "verdict". Thank you everyone, by the way, for your honesty, opinion, and sympathy. I really did not know what to do when this news hit.. and I don`t know if my plea letter would have been half as good if I didn`t have the help of the people at this forum giving me good advice! I will continue to check this forum for any extra tid-bits anyone would have.. and i`ll keep you posted on what I learn following the *gulp* month of waiting for their reply.
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  7. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from jacksonleo
    So, let the letter MEAN something like "I have rights and I am not gonna let you take them away without a fight."...
    Just curious, what exactly are his/her rights in this case?
  8. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from Student2001
    sorry guys... just read all of the posts that i havent had a chance to read in the last few days. Happy Turkey and Black-friday day! I have since sent out my plea letter, with several friends/coworkers/neighbors/RN`s vouching for me with their letters as well. Hopefully this helps a little.. i`ll know by late-december which is a little odd that i`m made to wait this long.. anyways I know a lot of people are saying to sue.. and some are saying to definitely not sue.. but I don`t think I want to hurt my chances by suing or threatening legal action before i know the ultimate decision .. they could end up giving me another chance even without doing this.. there is always time to go the extra mile after getting their "verdict". Thank you everyone, by the way, for your honesty, opinion, and sympathy. I really did not know what to do when this news hit.. and I don`t know if my plea letter would have been half as good if I didn`t have the help of the people at this forum giving me good advice! I will continue to check this forum for any extra tid-bits anyone would have.. and i`ll keep you posted on what I learn following the *gulp* month of waiting for their reply.
    Hope you had a good holiday, and wish you the best when that letter comes.
  9. Visit  cannolis profile page
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    Yeah, make sure you get a final answer before anything else. Keep positive! Hope all works out.
  10. Visit  RoadRN profile page
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    Yes, this sucks. I had a similar experience with no recourse. So, I applied at Excelsior College (it's online, Excelsior.edu), and was accepted. A year later, I graduated with High Honors and took the NCLEX and passed a month after that. I've been an RN for six years and am currently working on my RN-MSN FNP at Graceland University (also online). A brick and mortar nursing school is not the only option if you've had more than 50% of nursing school done from an accredited nursing program (which you have). Good luck to you and please keep us posted. (if you have any questions regarding Excelsior College, PM me, I would be glad to help you
  11. Visit  JustBeachyNurse profile page
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    Quote from RoadRN
    Yes, this sucks. I had a similar experience with no recourse. So, I applied at Excelsior College (it's online, Excelsior.edu), and was accepted. A year later, I graduated with High Honors and took the NCLEX and passed a month after that. I've been an RN for six years and am currently working on my RN-MSN FNP at Graceland University (also online). A brick and mortar nursing school is not the only option if you've had more than 50% of nursing school done from an accredited nursing program (which you have). Good luck to you and please keep us posted. (if you have any questions regarding Excelsior College, PM me, I would be glad to help you
    Since Jan 2012 Excelsior is no longer an option if you failed out of your program. You must be currently employed in a clinical capacity with a grade of C or better in ALL nursing courses:

    "Effective January 1, 2012, applicants who have completed 50% of the clinical credit hours in an associate, bachelor's, or RN diploma nursing program are no longer eligible for direct admission to the School of Nursing. Individuals who have completed at least 50% of the clinical nursing credit hours with a minimum grade of C within 5 years of enrollment into Excelsior College will be reviewed on a case by case appeal basis. This appeal process requires submission of the undergraduate application, fee, official transcripts, and letter of appeal indicating where and how clinical skills are being practiced in a health care setting. Only applicants who are currently employed in a clinical capacity and maintained good academic standing (minimum grade of C in all nursing courses) throughout their nursing program will be considered in this appeal process." source: Admission Requirements for Associate Degree in Nursing Programs - excelsior.edu
  12. Visit  RoadRN profile page
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    I wasn't aware of this new policy. Thank you for setting me straight Just FYI, I didn't flunk out of nursing school, I dropped out after my 3rd semester because of one particular instructor. I was thankful that I was able to complete my ADN with Excelsior. Thanks again
  13. Visit  JustBeachyNurse profile page
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    Quote from RoadRN
    I wasn't aware of this new policy. Thank you for setting me straight Just FYI, I didn't flunk out of nursing school, I dropped out after my 3rd semester because of one particular instructor. I was thankful that I was able to complete my ADN with Excelsior. Thanks again
    Those that drop are still eligible, so leaving after the 3rd semester completing 50% of coursework (while working in a clinical setting, some stated working as an EMT or CNA was sufficient) would make you eligible for the appeal for admissions.

    By my statement, I was referring to the OP who has stated that it seems they have flunked a clinical course which would garner them ineligible (assuming the poster resides in a state that accepts Excelsior's nursing program for initial RN licensure as not all do (MD and CA are two examples).

    I suppose it makes sense to only accept those who successfully completed 50% of the nursing program with a grade of C or better as it can be very rigorous to complete a self-directed, credit by examination program that requires self-discipline. Excelsior is a wonderful program for many but it isn't appropriate for everyone.


    To the OP, hopefully your situation works out to your satisfaction as your situation is definitely not a typical one posted in the forums.

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