Why Do Nurses Eat Their Young?

More and more Nurses are getting involved and looking for solutions that will end the scourge that has persisted for so many years and tarnished the good work and dedication of all Nurses everywhere. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

Have you heard that phrase before? I graduated my Nursing Program way, way, back in 1955 and it was around even then. The perpetrator is usually a senior nurse with longevity but could be a new graduate bursting with new knowledge and techniques and anxious to give them a workout or it could be a Supervisor or someone with a higher or lower rank than the victim. Regardless who is creating the problem it is interesting that old cliche is still around in this the 21st Century.

I first encountered it when as an eighteen-year-old nursing student who had never been in a hospital had no idea what a hospital ward looked like. I was born at home, and my tonsils were removed on my Grandmother's kitchen table when I was five. That was way, way, way, back, in 1935. So imagine my surprise to learn the "Ward" my Mother talked about when she had my brothers and sister, was not a long hallway with beds on either side, as I had envisioned, but a long hallway with rooms on both sides and it even had a kitchen. Yes, I remember it well.

We spent the first three months of our training in the classroom learning the basics of bedside nursing-bed making, vital signs, bed baths, enemas, along with medical terminology, anatomy, and other basic preparations for our initiation to "The Ward". We never got further than the lobby of the Hospital and the Cafeteria until the end of those first three months. Finally, the day came with the notification our schedules were changed. Starting immediately, we would spend four hours in the classroom every morning and four hours on the Ward in the afternoon. After class, we reported to our assigned Ward and introduced ourselves to our R.N., Supervisor.

Miss G. was about four feet, ten inches, tall and weighed about ninety-eight pounds. She looked impressive in her starched, white uniform, white stockings, white, polished, shoes with clean, white, shoelaces, and perched on top of her head a starched, white, crinoline cap with a ruffled edge, with a black band around it. She wore her accessories with authority. Her school pin perfectly placed on her right chest, her nurses' watch with its black, leather band and her black, winged, glasses, which she wore at the end of her nose so she could look directly into your eyes when she spoke. She was a retired Army, Staff Sergeant, probably in her middle thirties, and Single. Yes, I remember her well.

It was the first day of my first four- hour shift. Everyone gathered in the kitchen while the R.N. Supervisor dished out the diets on to a tray, from a warming cart, which we took to the bedside. I was assigned to feed a very ill young man, hooked up to an I.V. and too ill to feed himself. My patient had a bowl of Pea Soup, a glass of water, a cup of hot tea, a packet of sugar, and a glass straw. This was my first patient and the first time I would feed someone. I was scared to death.

I rolled his bed up, placed a napkin on his chest, told him my name, what I was about to do and asked him if he was comfortable. He nodded his head. I placed the glass straw into the bowl of pea soup and brought it to his lips. He was too weak to draw the soup up through the straw so I told him I would get a spoon and I would be right back.

Once in the hallway, I forgot which way to the kitchen. I started back toward the Nurse's Station and ran into Miss G. "Where do you think you're going?" she said. "I'm looking for the kitchen," I said. "You mean to tell me you've been here an hour and a half and you don't know where the kitchen is?" I looked at her with total surprise. "Yes.", I replied. She gave me directions and I was on my way.

There were lots of cupboards and drawers in the kitchen and I had no idea where they hid the tableware. I started opening drawers when I heard a sound behind me. Miss G. was standing in the doorway watching me. "Can you tell me where they keep the spoons?" I asked. "Don't they teach you anything in that classroom? You were just in this kitchen. You don't remember where the spoons are. What kind of nurse do you think you will be if you can't remember from fifteen minutes ago?" That was my intro to Miss G. and it was just the beginning. I finally got back to my patient but by that time, the soup was cold. I went back to the kitchen to get some warm soup. I'll give you three guesses who was there and what happened next. The first two don't count.

That was fifty-four years ago. Do nurses still eat their young? Yes, they do and there is plenty of evidence to support its existence right here on the internet. Just go to any Nurse Blog or Forum and you will find page after page of comments from nurses, young and old, male and female, R.N.'s, L.P.N.'s, C.N.A's, all venting their frustrations about the treatment they endure from NURSES WHO EAT THEIR YOUNG. Why do they do it? They do it because they can.

Fortunately, there is hope for the future. Due to Nursing Forums like this one, more and more Nurses are getting involved and looking for solutions that will end the scourge that has persisted for so many years and tarnished the good work and dedication of Nurses everywhere. Now if only someone would start teaching "How to build a team" or "Teamwork is the answer" that would be a place to start.

Wow. This is somewhat discouraging. How do you guys deal with these situations? Is sensativity training taught in nursing school? I would imagine for the patients, but what about for your peers? It broke my heart to read the post of the nurse who left nursing because of this animalistic behavior.

Anyone care to share an incident and how it was handled? What was the outcome?

We actually talked about this alot in nursing school. In one hospital a student reported a nurse to the manager that had done something. The manager wanted to know about these type of things. They were big on stopping lateral violence and hostile working environments. I am sure people do get fired for standing up for themselves. They just don't tell you that is what they are firing you for. They just have it in for you after that. So anything you do is looked at with a microscope. Then its a matter of can you prove you were fired for that.

How does one prosper in this field with this type of behavior going on? How many are experiencing a hostile work environment? How do you handle it? What other advice would you give?

How does one prosper in this field with this type of behavior going on? How many are experiencing a hostile work environment? How do you handle it? What other advice would you give?

I guess you need to watch who you **** off and who you don't...

Thank you for writting this. I am currently a nursing student and I have an instructor that actually told us that she eats her young. This past spring was first semester and I really got a bad impression of her, not only as an instructor but as a nurse. I can comprehend that I will be a "green-horn" when I start an actual nursing job, however, I will need the guidance and instruction of "senior" nurses and it is really frustrating to know that the level of compassion and maturity is not there with some nurses. Good to know that there is at least one "senior" nurse out there that is willing to set the right example:)

Specializes in Acute Care Hosp, Nursing Home, Clinics.

Hi Ziffer

The best way to handle the Nurse who eats her young is to keep a Jornual. At the end of the shift take a few minutes and put your thoughts down on paper. Be specific. Date, Time, who was involved, what happened, etc. Keep it objective and keep it short and do it every shift. If the abuse involves a patient you are mandated to report it immediately. If it involves anything else you will need to gather evidence. Again Date and time. Who, Why, When, and Where. Once you have enough evidence, ie, not just an isolated incident you write a Memo to the D.O.N. and CC all the people involved and the Adim. of the Facility. Also in your Memo offer what you think might have prevented the problem or ask for a solution to the problem. This takes a bit of courage and you need to understand you may become a target for termination.

However on the bright side. Once The higher-ups have something in writing, that is clear and concise, they will have to respond. Once the perpertrators of the abuse, become aware they are being put on notice they will think twice before they give a repeat performance.

So what have you done that anyone can criticize?

1. You followed the "Chain of Command"

2. You didn't go behind anyone's back.

3. You followed proper procedure.

4. You gave the people "In Charge" the opportunity to investigate and fix the problem

5. You let people know you are not to be messed with and you are a fair-minded person.

If you do what is suggested it will be difficult for them to fire you because you followed all the rules and the Labor Board likes people who follow the rules.

If after you do what is suggested you become a target - write another Memo.

This sounds like a lot of work and maybe too bold a receipe to be worth the effort but you can take my word for it -it works. It works if you are sincere, truthful, and always try to do your best. but remember. Patients first then the paperwork.:)

Specializes in Forensic Psych RN.

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Specializes in Forensic Psych RN.

Apparently they are now eating their "more seasoned" compadres......what does all this say about the nursing profession? I posted something on another page with the statement that all of us having something that we are not as strong in as others....and if you think that you don't, than you definitely DO!

Nurse Bullying… Same Name, New Target

150x200nurse.bully1.jpgWe’ve all heard the phrase that “nurses eat their young” and unfortunately many of us have experienced it as well.

I remember as a new nurse, I was so excited to try out my new skills on my very first assignment of patients, making sure that they all received their personal care and my undivided attention.

This effort was met by a very loud (and public) “Would you quit coddling them!!” by my RN preceptor. Such was my introduction into the sometimes ravenous world of nursing.

However, there is a new area of bullying on the horizon that was virtually nonexistent a generation ago. As technological advances multiply exponentially, and new computers, gadgets, and gizmos appear on our nursing units on a daily basis, there is a new segment of the nursing population that is experiencing the berating and belittling that used to be reserved for the brand new nurses… and that is bullying directed toward our seasoned, technology-challenged, veteran nurses.

When I was working in the area of home health, at first I found the older nurses’ struggles with technology comical, in a way. The administration had recently introduced a new computer charting system, and so the task began of not only teaching the new system, but also teaching the seasoned nurses how to use a computer in the first place. I had to laugh out loud when I heard one of our 25-year veterans say, very loudly from the next office, “Double click? Double click? What does THAT mean??”

200x150nurse.frustrated.chart1.jpgUnfortunately, this sometimes comical situation can have disastrous results. As I heard the exclamation from the other room about double clicking, I could also virtually see the rolling of the eyes of the younger nurse trying to teach the older. The younger nurse in this situation was very patient and calm in her teaching, but I could just imagine how the situation could deteriorate under different circumstances. It has become a fact of our society that the younger generation is losing patience with the older. Instead of looking at our elders as treasure chests full of wisdom, they are viewed as costly… costly to our time, patience, and even our health care resources.

Why is this situation so potentially disastrous? Here’s an illustration with which we can all identify. Under normal circumstances, we can drive our cars effortlessly and without errors. We can draw upon our training and years of experience to guide us through the process effortlessly. However, how about when there is a police officer driving behind us. Suddenly every thought, every movement, even every reflex becomes a conscious act, and our nervousness and agitation can cause us to make mistakes that we would not normally make. The same holds true for a veteran nurse who can, under normal circumstances, handle a load of seven patients with the ease that is only brought about by years of experience and training. However, when this same nurse is placed under a microscope, belittled and harassed by those who may be a little more knowledgeable in certain areas such as technology, he or she can make mistakes that would not otherwise be made. Just as a graduate nurse can make unnecessary mistakes when constantly harangued by established nurses, the same can hold true for our treasured seasoned nurses. No one can function at their best level when they are nervous or agitated. In the profession of nursing, however, a nurse who is not functioning at his or her best can result in dire or even deadly consequences.

What is the solution? How can we retain our nurses who have a wealth of experience to share, but who work among less patient, less admiring younger coworkers? The solution needs to lie with the management and with the initiation of a no-tolerance policy against bullying, berating, or belittling in any way, regardless if it is directed at the newly hired or those who are near retirement.

We nurses hold precious lives in our hands. Should we not encourage one another and, at times, bear up our coworkers to function at their best as we all move toward the goal of excellent patient care? Perhaps we can all find the same voice of compassion toward one another that we direct toward our patients.

How are you affected by lateral violence or nurse bullying? Please share your thoughts below.

About the Author: Susan Kieffer, RN, MSN/Ed., is a fulltime faculty member with the Kaplan University School of Nursing online. Her current position involves orienting and training new faculty members in their transition to online education. She is a busy pastor’s wife, worship leader, a mother of two, a grandmother of six, and pet owner of a Great Dane, Pomeranian, a Himalayan cat, a snake, and other multiple critters. She is currently pursuing her Ph.D. in E-Commerce.

Specializes in Acute Care Hosp, Nursing Home, Clinics.

Excellent Post. I believe there needs to be training in Team Work and Management. Nurses of all stripes need to be taught how to build and manage a Team. What we are experiencing now has gone on for many, many years. Nursing is an autocratic society because there are no consequences for bullying a coworker. Before all the sophiscated machines and protocols it was tolerated because life was more simple then. In today's technical society it can no longer be tolerated. Maybe you could write your thesis on the subject and throw some light on the severity of the prolblem. If you go back in this post you will find many, many stories of nurses young, old, male and female venting their frustration and their desire to cope so they can practice their skills in a way that will make difference in the lives of the people they serve.

Specializes in ER, ICU, Home Health, Geriatrics, LTAC.

After 18 years of nursing I still remember the RN who belittled me and made me feel like an idiot. I vowed back then that I would not ever do that to any other nurse that I was asked to mentor or train. I can honestly say that new nurses are a pleasure to work with. Their enthusiasm and eagerness to learn is invigorating and reminds me of why I wanted to do this kind of work. Remember everyone, we were all new nurses once.....

Specializes in ER, ICU, Home Health, Geriatrics, LTAC.

After 18 years of nursing I still remember the RN who belittled me and made me feel like an idiot. I vowed back then that I would not ever do that to any other nurse that I was asked to mentor or train. I can honestly say that new nurses are a pleasure to work with. Their enthusiasm and eagerness to learn is invigorating and reminds me of why I wanted to do this kind of work. Remember everyone, we were all new nurses once.....

ha well great post however its probably not such a big deal now since they don't hire new grads anymore.