Preferential treatment for new staff

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Does anyone else have a problem with new staff getting preferential treatment? I have worked at the same hospital for eighteen years, and it seems new hires are getting better treatment from administration than older staff. They get sign on bonuses, better schedules, and seem to have lower standards of behavior. I was actually asked to work overtime last weekend because a guy who has worked here only three months wanted the weekend off. The supervisor even said that she wanted to keep him happy because he was new. It wouldn't have made me angry if I hadn't been told just last month I could not cover for another RN who wanted the day off for her sister's surgery because it would mean overtime. People are coming into the hospital and paid the same wage as those of us who have been here for years. A friend of mine was moved to night shift recently because there was a new girl coming who could only work days. There was an incident recently where one of our staff who has been here for fifteen years was suspended because he said something inappropriate to a physician. I witnessed the incident, and he was way out of line, and did deserve suspension. Shortly after that , another girl,who has been in our unit less than a year, called a doctor a name in front of a patient and his family. When the doc complained, he was told that she would apologize to him. She refused to apologize, and nothing further was done. This girl is often inappropriate to patients, families, and physicians, but it is just overlooked. There are incidents similar to this on a weekly basis, some just as outrageuos, some more subtle, but all very demoralizing. I know that recruitment of new staff is important, but keeping experienced staff happy should be too. Loyalty should be rewarded. I have never thought that there was a place for unions in health care, but I am beginning to think that maybe organizing would stop this kind of treatment? Anyone have any thoughts?

I mostly agree with Heather. Don't get upset with the new hire, get upset with mgmt for disregarding the senior staff.

Don't hate the player, hate the game...cliche and I know it.

And at the same time, a new hire should show professionalism. Discussing salaries is not professional. At my last job(different industry), we were subject to termination for discussing salaries. An "I don't care" attitude is not professional.

Management should counsel any nurse whose conduct violates the facility's written standards of professionalism.

I think I understand senior staff's reasons for wanting first dibbs on vacations, promotions, transfers, shift requests, etc. Working at the same facility for many years shows some degree of loyalty, dependability and knowledge. You have somehow managed to do your job despite all the crap thrown in your way. Mgmt would have gotten rid of you a long time ago if they believed your nursing care was substandard. So perhaps this is why you feel "entitled" to have consideration over new hires concerning certain things?

I just don't want to be dumped on when I become a new nurse. I don't want to work holidays all the time. I'd like to work the shift I want the most. I don't want other staff asking me in various ways about my salary/signing bonus. I don't want to be nitpicked .

I DON'T WANT TO BE EATEN!

I want to be respected, encouraged and recognized for good work. Same wants as senior nurses.

Recently there was a lawsuit over the issue of employees discussing their salary. Wish I could remember the name of the litigants..if necessary, I could find it.

Anyway, an employee was fired because she/he discussed his/her salary with his peers. The employee sued and won in federal court. The court decided this policy was illegal and that it was only the employer who could not divulge that private information. The employee was free to talk of his private financial matters to whomever he/she chose. The court went futher to say that such policy was inherently made to prevent fair wages.

INHO salary discussion has absolutely nothing to do with professionalism. It is propaganda put out by management as a means of control.

I agree, ageless. Not being allowed to talk about salaries allows manipulation by management. I'm so glad we have a union at my hospital: not one of the big ones, but our own, run by us. Takes more work, but everything is as fair as possible. Our salaries are in our contract - everyone knows what everyone else is making if they know the step they're on. Floating, being cancelled due to low census, holidays - everything is spelled out - everything is above board. And Mandatory OT has been outlawed for years :)!

That's an interesting case Ageless! If you could find more info about the case, please post it. I'd like to read the specifics.

Even without a policy against it, I still would not want to discuss my salary with other employees nor would I want others inquiring about my salary...creates hostility. Salary is a manager's judgment of the value of your job skills...and your abilities as a negotiator. Discussing raise percentages creates the same negativity.

During the second or third interview is where I negotiate a salary with mgmt and there is where it should stay.

I can't think of any fair way to make salary discussions against the rules, but I must say, it is just tacky.

At our urgent care clinic, we have a wide range of nursing experience represented. In my opnion, it is not a shock that each of us had certain factors taken into account when our pay rates were decided by mangagement. We have RNs, LPNs, and MAs, all of whom, obviously, are not paid the same. I am very conscious of the fact that there are some MAs at my clinic who have been there for years and likely will never be paid what I am, and to bring this out into the open is just rude. Similarly, I know that I am paid less than RNs with years of experience, but not knowing exact numbers makes this fact almost forgettable.

One of our new nurses, an RN formerly working in NICU, recently came right out and asked me what I was paid, and she wanted a dollar amount. This made me very uncomfortable, and I did not tell her what I am paid. Furthermore, she made a great show of studying her paystub, looking for her rate of pay. She explained that she wanted to see if her raise had taken effect yet, then went on to say that her raise was not scheduled until May 26. ????? What raise? I have not been with this clinic for long, but I know that the hospital organization has not yet agreed to any across-the-board raises, and this nurse was just working her 3rd shift that day! Without looking at her stub, I told her that the rate is printed in the upper left-hand corner; she kept angling it toward me, insisiting that she could not find it. Finally she leaned forward and put it under my nose and said, "Show me where it is." I did, and any blind fool could have seen it, and of course I now know precisely what she is paid. Where is the professionalism here? Why would anyone, especially a brand new employee, want to rub into someone's face that she is paid more, despite the very obvious fact that I was not interested in discussing it? (Unfortunately for us all, this particular RN has exhibited a lacking of professionalism, as well as any common sense at all, in a number of ways that serve only to make our jobs harder, our pt flow slower, and the agitation of our patients greater.)

While I can see how mgmt could certainly find ample room for manipulation here, it just seems to me that naming numbers to each other, especially when there are a lot of factors influencing differences in pay, is just in really, really bad taste. JMHO.

Sorry- kind of of the subjuct here, but this really bugged me.

I need to address a few of the comments that have been made. First of all, I am not whining because I have to work weekends. When I decided on nursing as a career, I knew I would be working weekends, shifts, and holidays, and I still expect to. But so should newer people expect to work the same amount of holidays and weekends. And don't move someone from a shift they have worked for a long time to a less desirable shift because a new employee wants that shift. I deserved Christmas off this year because I worked it last year, and hospital policy is that you work it every other year. I worked Thanksgiving, and planned on spending Christmas with my family, and instead worked Christmas because a new person wanted to be with her children for their first Christmas in their new home. So I worked, and missed my terminally ill Mother's last Christmas. And yes, management is to blame for setting these policies, or not adhering to the policies that are in place. That was actually the point I was trying to make in my first post. These actions do create resentment and conflict among staff. But new hires are also coming into the hospital with the attitude that if they don't get what they want, they walk. And everyone should be held accountable for their own behavior. Just because management looks the other way when people behave in an unprofessional manner, that doesn't make the behavior acceptable. But when you try to apply some peer pressure to these kinds of people, you get accused of eating your young. I have been a preceptor for 15 years, and I have oriented quite a few new people. My orientees always get a thorough clinical orientation as well as a lot of encouragement and moral support. Many of the people I mentored are still here, and are my friends. And I have mentored people from all age groups. It is not a generational thing. I work with people in their twenties who I would trust in any situation, and who are professional and competent. I have never asked anyone about their salary, I too think that is unprofessional. But there are people who volunteer that information. For some it seems to be a status symbol. I have even worked with a few people who brag about the fact that they are getting what they want before the long time employees. That is the kind of attitude that makes me angry at those particular people, as well as at management.

The United States Court of Ap-peals for the Sixth Circuit in National Labor Relations Board v. Main Street Terrace Care Center, 218F.3d 531, 534 (6th Cir. 2000), recently joined several other United States Courts of Appeal in determining that a rule prohibiting employees from discussing their wages constitutes an unfair labor practice under Section 8(a)(1) of the National LaborRelations Act. Section 8(a)(1) makes it unlawful for employers to "interfere with, restrain or coerce employees in the exercise of certain protected rights..While most employers would prefer that their employees not discuss their wages, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit recently found a rule to that effect to be unlawful. In NLRB v Main Street Terrace Care Center, 200 WL 890892 (6th Cir. 2000), two different employees were told by their managers that they were not allowed to discuss how much money they were making with other employees because it caused hard feelings among employees. The National Labor Relations Board found that the rule violated the National Labor Relations Act, and the Court of Appeals affirmed.

It rejected the company's arguments that the rule was not written, nor did its managers have company authority to promulgate such a rule. It ruled that it didn't matter whether the rule was written or oral, since verbal warnings by supervisors who have the authority to discipline and discharge are coercive and tend to prohibit protected discussions.

Employers may not prohibit employees from discussing conditions of their employment with one anther - it's a protected concerted activity. Pay being a condition of employment, you can't prohibit "Joe" from discussing his pay with "Mary." But you can prohibit "Mary" from blabbing what Joe told her to somebody else and you certainly can enforce confidentiality standards for people in payroll, HR, managers, etc

Just want to make it clear that it is not all new nurses who come into the profession feeling entitled. Most of the new staff I have dealt with are dedicated and professional. It is just a few who behave in this manner, and cause resentment among older staff.

First of all, I don't think "Ooops" will cut it in a court of law let alone bring a patient back to life!

Of course management hires new nurses and gives them preferential treatment, (and don't be surprised if they don't make more than you do too)!

Is it fair, NO! Why do they do it you ask... Beware of the nursing director who has less experience and/or time on the unit than you!

Some nursing directors are threatened by you if you've worked in a facility longer than they have.

They feel like the nurses they hire are "their" nurses and they think they'll be more loyal to them after all you came with the job but the newbies are their very own hand picked nurses.

Every place I have ever worked has been the exact same in this circumstance! Sometimes you can try to stand up for yourself but I am here to tell ya, alone you don't have much of a voice... You have a better chance of making a change as a group with a spokesperson but be careful if you happen to be the spokesperson... Most of the time the others will leave you out to hang by yourself!

I have never worked for a unionized facility but it would have to make things a bit fairer I would think... At least you don't have to worry about being the spokesperson who is singled out by management...

Thank you for your candid comments in this forum. I am a 2002 ADN graduate who will be starting in the ICU of a local hospital within the next couple of weeks (as soon as I get my letter that says I can take the NCLEX). One of the most important questions I had for the manager during my interview was about how the nurses felt about new graduates. I want to learn all that I can, but don't want to feel that I am in the way and not wanted. She, of course, said that it would be no problem, but I wanted to hear it from the nurses, you know, from those that will actually be training me. During my tour of the ICU they welcomed me and told me that they liked having "new blood." I only hope they don't have preconceived ideas about me because of someone else's wrong attitude.

I am so appreciative to have this opportunity! I want to be an excellent nurse, and cannot achieve that unless I am allowed to work beside excellent "senior nurses". It really hurts me to hear that some idiots are making a bad name for those of us that want to do a good job. I almost cannot believe some new nurses act the way you all described! I don't understand why a new nurse would rather be a problem than an asset. I only hope that all of you who had bad experiences with lazy new nurses get to train someone who is excited about her (or his) new career. Any nurse who acts in such an unprofessional manner as you all have described needs to be thrown out, shortage or not! I would much rather have to work harder with a team of people who enjoy their job and each other's company, than have more days off, but dread the days I have to be there.

And as far as salary and extras go, they don't matter much to me right now. I am in it for the experience. No sign on bonus, no tuition repayment, and I start on midnights, but I got my dream job.

Again, I am so sorry that you "senior nurses" got stuck with such unpleasant people, but PLEASE do not think all of us new graduates are like that. There are many of us out there that have utmost respect and love for you guys.

Ladyj, I can tell from your post that you will be a very welcome addition and your preceptors will LOVE you...most of us enjoy our young nurses/new hires; it's really only the FEW spoiled, egotistical ones that get to us. :)

There are a few bad apples in every barrel...old and new nurses alike...you will do well....just try to hang with the good guys.

You go girl. :)

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