Meeting with Management about Med-Surg Nurse to Patient Ratios

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I've been a member of my hospital's newly established nurse retention committee for the past few months. I represent 1/2 of our large med-surg floor. After much discussion and brainstorming about retention ideas, I decided to write a letter to my manager and unit director as well as 2 other senior managers and the CEO of the hospital. The letter basically stated that, after almost 10 years as a med-surg nurse, I'm convinced that the only way to retain nurses on our floor is to reduce the nurse to patient ratio. More money won't keep burned-out nurses at the bedside in the long run. Large recruitment bonuses will not KEEP a nurse in a chaotic, stressful environment for very long. Morale is bad, quality of patient care is down, while I think more errors are occuring. I also sited statistics from the 2002 Aiken study in my letter. http://www.dpeaflcio.org/policy/factsheets/fs_aiken.htm

We are averaging 6 to 7 patients for all shifts, 1 PCT (aide) for 12 to 18 patients some evenings I work. Acuity is not a consideration in patient assignments and staffing, and we're told that this is the "benchmark" or "norm" for med-surg units in most hospitals, and that is why we are staffed the way we are.

BUT-- If you're having trouble RETAINING your nurses and you can't RECRUIT new nurses, in spite of throwing money at them, wouldn't it be wise to consider reducing the ratios and investing that money in hiring additional help? From the Aiken study: "RNs working in hospitals with the highest patient-to-nurse ratio are twice as likely to be dissatisfied with their position and experience job-related burnout as those working in hospitals with the lowest patient-to-nurse ratio. By increasing RN staffing levels and thereby lowering the patient-to-nurse ratio, hospitals could reduce turnover rates by decreasing the job dissatisfaction and burnout that may lead to resignation." (I keep having this overwhelming desire to say DUH!) Also from the study: "Satisfactory nurse-to-patient ratios can save money as well as saving lives and decreasing RN turnover. Estimates indicate that the cost of replacing a hospital medical and surgical general unit nurse... as $42,000."

I know from reading many threads here at allnurses that 6-7 patients is generally the norm on med-surg. If my 6 patients are self- to partial-cares and none have a serious problem during my shift, I can certainly be busy, but not inordinately; I may even be able to leave the floor for a 30 minute dinner break. But USUALLY, I'm running almost my entire shift (I work 3-11) with post-ops, admissions, patients going for tests, calling doctors, hanging blood, covering LPN's patients, etc. etc. etc. I'm almost embarrassed to say we have an IV team, so we don't start our own IV's, and yet I hear that many of you have to draw your own blood for labs, start IV's, do respiratory treatments in addition to your patient load..... How do YOU do it all? Do you have more nurse's aides? I'm having trouble just managing 6-7 patients and I fortunately have IV nurses and phlebotmists to help. Nurses who work med-surg will also know that some nights, just THREE patients can be a lot of work, depending on their problems and acuity.

Anyway, a meeting is being scheduled with me and the 4 managers I wrote, and I guess they'll then report to the CEO. I'm not worried; I wrote a respectful but truthful letter about our med-surg working conditions, and I'm not afraid to talk about them. I want to work med-surg; I have no desire to work anywhere else, but I can't stand to see unhappy, stressed-to-the-max co-workers, to not be able to give the kind of care I'd like to give, to see new nurses and new hires bail after a few months, and to often dread going to work myself.

Does anyone have any words of wisdom I can take with me for the meeting?

Oops, I didn't see until I posted that you'd already had your meeting.

I hope you do get some results. We're behind you!

Specializes in Med-Surg, Long Term Care.
Originally posted by redshiloh

You got your voice heard....that in itself is a great accomplishment. Congratulations! So what's next?

Thanks, yeah-- It was good to be heard. But, I went to a 4-hour computer training class at the hospital this morning because we're supposed to have all on-line documentation by December 8. It's supposed to "make our jobs easier", but the outcry that will be undoubtedly heard from staff hospital-wide the week this is implemented will be deafening. (I think I'm going to have to start a new thread about this... :stone ) The additional crap that they've included in our assessments, both admission and daily, PLUS the care plan pieces are going to add a TON to our workload for at LEAST a month. (THANKS, JCAHO!) The system is half-baked at best, there's no training manual, and they're daily working out kinks and tweaking things. If my meeting had occured AFTER the training I had today, it would have had a much more negative tone. :o

I have heard that management is planning to add staff for the first two weeks of the computerized documentation, but I wonder for how many nurses, this will be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back... It's practically the HOLIDAYS, for pete's sake!!!

(****DEEP CLEANSING BREATH****)

Originally posted by Hellllllo Nurse

Oops, I didn't see until I posted that you'd already had your meeting.

I hope you do get some results. We're behind you!

Thanks for posting the info and for your support, Hellllllo Nurse. It would've added some good ammo to the meeting, but the managers are already aware that we need more RN's. And after the computer debacle-in-the-making I witnessed today, they will probably be needing even MORE RN's come January.... :stone

I guess I need to follow the advice in my first signature line by Rev. Swindoll:

Specializes in Cardiac/Vascular & Healing Touch.

Where I work, the staffing grid is 2 RN's for 20 pts & they get a PCT (tech-NA, whatever) @ 21 pts. Not until then, & this is post op floor, med-surg. Cardiology gets 8:1, with LPN/RN mix. maybe a tech & maybe not.....horrible!!!!

Specializes in Med-Surg, Long Term Care.
Originally posted by healingtouchRN

Where I work, the staffing grid is 2 RN's for 20 pts & they get a PCT (tech-NA, whatever) @ 21 pts. Not until then, & this is post op floor, med-surg. Cardiology gets 8:1, with LPN/RN mix. maybe a tech & maybe not.....horrible!!!!

:eek:

HOW do they do it? Horrible is right! I can only imagine the paper trail of med. errors, patient and family complaints, incident reports, etc., not to mention the nurse burnout!

I think sometimes that many of us must be part masochists and/or martyrs to do what we do without throwing in the towel. I keep on working as a med-surg nurse because it is my calling-- call it sentimental pap if you want-- but I feel I must bloom where I've been planted, do what I can to change things, and accept the rest-- OR move on. (A semi-Serenity Prayer :) ) I have no desire to work anywhere else-- this is my community's hospital, no other specialties appeal to me, and I can make more money doing this part-time than I could for anything else working full-time with no other training, unless I went back to school. NOT gonna happen.... But then again, read the second quote in my signature line:

Well, at the risk of starting another thread on this, I work telemetry, days. Although I was told when I was hired the ratio is 1:5, in reality it is 1:6 on a 35 bed floor, with (normally) 2 RNs and the rest (3-4) LPNs. We have also been working consistently with only 2 aides for the 32-35 patients, most of whom are total care (my patients last weekend were 6 patients, 5 total cares, 4 feeders). Needless to say, I read the help wanteds daily! You are right about retention - better conditions, not just more money. Oh yeah, we are also mandated regularly.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Long Term Care.

Another :eek: !

I feel for you, Repat-- I'd be reading the help wanteds, too!

Good old sjoe's signature line keeps echoing in my mind: "We will get exactly as much crap as we will take." And I KNOW we're taking WAY too much by remaining in these unsafe, unhealthy environments. It's just that it's very difficult to consider giving up on what we all worked so hard for and when we know we are needed for all the patients out there.

It makes you wonder: Who will be there to care for US and our loved ones?

You are so right - some of the LTC posts are VERY scary!!!!

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