Does God Make Mistakes? - page 6

I looked up at the doctor across the crib who is still hovering over him and checking his ventilator and trachea. Wildly he flailed as the doctor touched his abdomen. I tried to calm him by holding... Read More

  1. Visit  MaritesaRN profile page
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    Quote from nurseatrest1963
    By the way...I forgot one major issue...they wanted to have a vaginal birth...cost effective for a person with no insurance!, vs C-section....I hope these kind of choices don't become the norm due to government involvement in our health care system...It really is yet to be seen, as for right now, I think we hear what the govt wants us to hear...


    I hope not. I know the government credibility is pretty yuccky right now considering all the things that they let happen, such as the AIG, Enron, Big automobile corporate------ nobody was watching really, no regulation in place for these corporates,( they have strong lobbyist that pushed their greedy interests) so they got away w/ bloody murder---- and the middle class is in burden w/ the tax alone, since the rich have loopholes not to pay or the minimum , and the poor ones have no money to pay.......so we are the worker ants, or the mule ---the ones that works so hard and carries heavy burdens on their back, right?
    But not to try to change the healthcare right now will be a big mistake and a horrendous chaos since healthcare expenses will bankrupt the nation---- and lots of people and children will not get any care 'cause it will be too expensive.Cost effective is reasonable, but in your case w/ the baby ----there are ethics involve . No way you can allow a vaginal birth because it is cheaper. The baby is entitled to a comfortable and as pain free as possible birth. The t cells are protected, why not a full and breathing baby ??? You know what I mean?
    If ever comes a time wherein cost is first before ethics , then we are damned and God help us!!!!
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  3. Visit  SDA3694 profile page
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    Thank you for sharing!
    Last edit by sirI on Jul 23, '09 : Reason: off-topic comment
  4. Visit  CountyRat profile page
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    Cardiacnurse2006, I am sorry this is so painful for you. I have lost a child, so I am not being condescending when I tell you that I understand both your pain and your anger, and I am not criticizing you for either. Yes, as I think the OP was illustrating in her excellent story, good and bad do exist, and much that happens in the world is terribly bad. And trying to decide who to blame is tempting, but futile. I do not know why the child in the OP's story was born so tragically impaired, nor do I know why (or blame anyone) for your tragedy, or for the loss of my own child. My only point was, that all that is bad in the world does not change the fact that life still has value, and there is still good in this evil world.
    Last edit by sirI on Jul 24, '09 : Reason: off-topic
  5. Visit  sirI profile page
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    One more gentle redirect.

    Please do not discuss religion and existence/non-existence of God in this thread.

    Please take all of this type of discussion to AN Central in the aforementioned forum.
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  6. Visit  FranEMTnurse profile page
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    Quote from CountyRat
    Cardiacnurse2006, I am sorry this is so painful for you. I have lost a child, so I am not being condescending when I tell you that I understand both your pain and your anger, and I am not criticizing you for either. Yes, as I think the OP was illustrating in her excellent story, good and bad do exist, and much that happens in the world is terribly bad. And trying to decide who to blame is tempting, but futile. I do not know why the child in the OP's story was born so tragically impaired, nor do I know why (or blame anyone) for your tragedy, or for the loss of my own child. My only point was, that all that is bad in the world does not change the fact that life still has value, and there is still good in this evil world.
    Wonderful, and very gentle reply.
  7. Visit  FranEMTnurse profile page
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    Cardiacnurse2006,
    I'm sorry you are in so much pain. None of us really knows why we are either unable to conceive, but over the several years of my life I have seen an increase in infertility. I lost a baby in my first trimester, and it felt like my baby had died. It took a long while before I could come to terms with that loss and accept it. When I lost my baby, I held it's tiny body all curled up in the fetal position, studying its features; its puffy tiny cheeks, studying to see if it had 10 fingers and toes, its tiny nose, and the perfect circles where its eyes were yet to form. Then after a while sitting on the bathroom toilet where I gave it birth, my baby who had features a lot like my oldest daughter, melted before my eyes.

    Do we know why these things happen? I don't think so. All I know is that I can still see that tiny baby in my mind's eye. Perhaps one of the causes to infertility is caused by the artificial food additives that are put into our food?

    You have my deepest condolences.:icon_hug:
  8. Visit  USMCLynchPrincess profile page
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    This story was so touching. My brother was born with cerebral palsy. He went through 30+ surgeries in his lifetime, and I'm sure you could draw the conclusion of how many doctor visits and hospital stays that means. He passed away last October at the age of 31, a long time for someone to live with the severe case of CP that he had. The last two months of his life he spent in and out of the hospital, and I asked the same question about God making mistakes so many times. After he died I really go bitter and kept on asking. But I couldn't imagine my life without him. He was my mom's whole world, and he responded to her better than anyone else just like the boy in the story. I was never settled with the thought of him suffering so long because I thought we were being selfish. But I also know it would be so hard to have let him go any sooner. It's a hard situation, and you have to understand that before you judge other people and the decisions they make about their kid's/families lives. As a nurse, you can care about the child, but making those kind of decision is NOT your place.

    Stephanie
  9. Visit  sirI profile page
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    once again posts of a religious nature have been deleted.

    this is not a religious debate.

    posts of this nature from now on will warrant infraction points.
    Last edit by sirI on Jul 24, '09
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  10. Visit  Artistyc1 profile page
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    Quote from nurseatrest1963
    By the way...I forgot one major issue...they wanted to have a vaginal birth...cost effective for a person with no insurance!, vs C-section....I hope these kind of choices don't become the norm due to government involvement in our health care system...It really is yet to be seen, as for right now, I think we hear what the govt wants us to hear...
    Not to take anything away from your experience, but as a very long time OB nurse- several reasons that babies that are not expected to survive are delivered vaginally, and NOT just because of money- every incision into the uterus has implications for the mothers future fertility. Also, a vaginal birth does allow the mother the ability to gather her belongings after the delivery,go home to her loved ones, and prepare for the funeral of her much wanted baby. If she has a c-section, often she will continue to be cared for on a unit that has mothers with live babies. Just my experience.
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  11. Visit  nurseatrest1963 profile page
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    Artistyc1, you are right on all accts...But in this situation the Dr, actually stated the stress of the delivery would cause the birth of the baby be a still birth...and that it would be traumatic on the baby, and the vaginal canal...He expected problems... and even comented that this situation could cause problems for my daughter in the future...anyway...and I made sure that my daughter went to surgical floor, not OB with new babies on the floor....I have experienced this first hand as a nurse before (where the baby didn't survive, and they were placed on a floor with crying newborns...very traumatic for the mother/family)...Thanks for your coments...
  12. Visit  MaritesaRN profile page
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    Quote from nurseatrest1963
    Artistyc1, you are right on all accts...But in this situation the Dr, actually stated the stress of the delivery would cause the birth of the baby be a still birth...and that it would be traumatic on the baby, and the vaginal canal...He expected problems... and even comented that this situation could cause problems for my daughter in the future...anyway...and I made sure that my daughter went to surgical floor, not OB with new babies on the floor....I have experienced this first hand as a nurse before (where the baby didn't survive, and they were placed on a floor with crying newborns...very traumatic for the mother/family)...Thanks for your coments...

    :heartbeatI am really surprised that the OB floor does not have a policy or procedure to follow as to where to put the mother and the dead baby......... considering the trauma the mother and the family are going through and hearing all those live crying babies is just too mcuh to bear-- it is like rubbing salt on an open wound!! I hope they will find a place --away from the OB for mothers who have still births. Anyone worked in a hospital w/ a much compassion and understanding policy for mom w/ still births?
  13. Visit  nurseforlife profile page
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    "The child must know that he is a miracle,
    that since the beginning of the world there hasn't been,
    and until the end of the world there will not be, another child like him."
    Pablo Casals
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  14. Visit  SuperSweet profile page
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    Thank you for sharing, your story has truly touched my :redpinkhe. God does not make mistakes, God created this child to to open the minds and hearts of many. God placed him/her with an unconditional, loving, and selfless mother. Praise and Glory to God and this mother!


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