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No. 200
from Truth66
Old Jan 20, 2009, 10:24 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Stanley-RN2B View Post
I'm STILL not understanding the problem.

The OP answered their own question. The employer is still in compliance with the contract.

"The parties hereto agree that in every instance the employee shall pay a fair price for any meals obtained which shall in no instance be less than the actual cost of furnishing such meals, and the said cost shall be computed by the Corporation. When employees bring their own meal, they shall use the designated dining area for the consumption of same."

This DOES NOT imply or state that employees are to be given a meal. IT says that if they are then the price has to be set at a certain level. Even if the courts decided it implied a lunch for employees NO WHERE does it say it has to be full, hot or the same as everyone else?

It also doesn't say you get a full, hot meal.

I'm not sure what everyone is reading but it is right there in English. Take it to a Attorney. It's no longer a matter of opinion. The company, by the OP's very own words, is NOT obligated to provide anything.

Much less a 'full, hot lunch.'

No clarification is needed. In contract law the contract is king and if the contract states what the OP posted then they are out of luck. In EVERY country.
Not necesarily. There's what's called past pracitce and whether or not the employer has set a precedent or not. Past Practice and Precedent in this case is that every employee in the building was entitled to the option of purchasing a full hot meal. Then the employer arbitrarily decided that only the Practical Nurses and the Care Aides were no longer entitled to this option.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Precedent
If a contract stated that employees were granted 4 weeks paid vacation every year and then the employer arbitrarily decided that in 2009 all nurses will only be getting 2 weeks paid vacation, how would the nurses respond? Even though the contract doesn't name each and every employee category, past practice and precedent was that the employer was allowing every employee the option of 4 weeks paid vacation. Using your arguement (which is valid) the employer can say "well we didn't specify in the contract that nurses will be included in the 4 weeks paid vacation." Yes I've seen employers routinely twist various sentences in a collective agreement numerous times to try and get out of what was originally agreed to. This is why there are countless greviences in numerous work settings both in and out side of nursing.
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No. 201
from Truth66
Old Feb 01, 2009, 10:23 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Decision:
Unfortunately the Union is unwilling to pursue this issue. Their rationale is that there are some staff who don't want the meal times changed. The union is unwilling to push the employer to change things in the dietary department to ensure those who are on the early breaks are able to purchase the full hot meals just like those in the other departments. Eventhough the staff on my unit were fully in favour of changing our break times, the employer has indicated that they will not let one unit change their break times.
My intuition was right in that this union wouldn't pursue the issue based on their lousy track record of not willing to pursue anything. As one union official told me years ago, "we can't damage employer union relations". Essentially that's the attitude of many labour officials in recent years. They forget that they work for and are paid by the members, not the employers. Many officials such as the ones here locally have this mentality that the members are answerable to them when in reality it should be the other way around.
Other issues have arisen since this thread was started that the union is also unwilling to pursue. Essentially my co-workers and I have to make a decision of whether or not to get rid of this union and find another one. Having said that, to get rid of a union is a nightmare and a half, but that's a topic for another thread.
So discrimination against the Practical Nurses and the Aides will be allowed to continue in our facility (which is one of three).
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No. 202
Old Feb 01, 2009, 10:46 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
I am so sorry. Can you ask to be transferred to a sister facility?
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No. 203
from Truth66
Old Feb 01, 2009, 01:20 PM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by achot chavi View Post
I am so sorry. Can you ask to be transferred to a sister facility?
Yes I can apply for a rotation at a sister facility. However, if I apply at the one near the center of the city it wouldn't work because my wife works at that one. My wife and I agreed a long time ago that we would try not to work in the same facility. The third facility is on the far side of the city and the last time I worked over there it cost me a small fortune in gas.
I believe all the LTC facilities in this city, including the three municipal facilities where I work, have the same labour organization.
I believe the only solution to end the many examples of discrimination, exploitation and violence towards nurses and other healthcare workers in this city is to organize a city wide campaign to first turf this particular union out and find one that has the gutts and leadership to finally say enough is enough.
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No. 204
Old Feb 01, 2009, 02:16 PM

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Good Luck
BTW, I would love to work with my hubby, but I understand why you wouldn't.
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No. 205
from Mr Ian
Old Feb 02, 2009, 02:12 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Truth66 View Post
Many officials such as the ones here locally have this mentality that the members are answerable to them when in reality it should be the other way around.
Other issues have arisen since this thread was started that the union is also unwilling to pursue. Essentially my co-workers and I have to make a decision of whether or not to get rid of this union and find another one. Having said that, to get rid of a union is a nightmare and a half, but that's a topic for another thread.
So discrimination against the Practical Nurses and the Aides will be allowed to continue in our facility (which is one of three).
Thanks for the update.

Initiate a vote of no confidence and spell out the failings.
Presumably the union reps answer to someone higher.

The employers don't pay their wages and when the cash dries up - people will listen up.


Now I can raise my issue -

I have free accommodation and utilities - a nice 2 bedroom unit, fully a/c with all amenities. It came as part of my job with no strings attached.
Now they want me to share the other bedroom with people I haven't met 'cos they're short on space for non-nursing staff.
Anyone else in that situation?

What should I do?
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No. 206
Old Feb 02, 2009, 05:23 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Mr Ian View Post
Thanks for the update.

Initiate a vote of no confidence and spell out the failings.
Presumably the union reps answer to someone higher.

Be careful with that, it could boomerang


The employers don't pay their wages and when the cash dries up - people will listen up.
Again be careful, it may be a problem for you if you dont pay your dues

Now I can raise my issue -

I have free accommodation and utilities - a nice 2 bedroom unit, fully a/c with all amenities. It came as part of my job with no strings attached.
Now they want me to share the other bedroom with people I haven't met 'cos they're short on space for non-nursing staff.
Anyone else in that situation?

Get advise from a lawyer!!! I wouldnt agree off the bat- lack of space is their problem- you don't have to be the solution. A roommate could bring a lot of problems for you

What should I do?
Good Luck!!!
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No. 207
Old Feb 02, 2009, 09:42 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Mr Ian View Post
Thanks for the update.

Initiate a vote of no confidence and spell out the failings.
Presumably the union reps answer to someone higher.

The employers don't pay their wages and when the cash dries up - people will listen up.


Now I can raise my issue -

I have free accommodation and utilities - a nice 2 bedroom unit, fully a/c with all amenities. It came as part of my job with no strings attached.
Now they want me to share the other bedroom with people I haven't met 'cos they're short on space for non-nursing staff.
Anyone else in that situation?

What should I do?
I would check my contract verbage and make sure you aren't obligated to allow that to happen. I'd say no, or ask how they planned on compensating me for the inconvenience....such as: are you providing me monetarily for this placement; lets face it-it's a hardship having to share with people, but outright ridiculous to share with strangers. At least nurses require background checks, how are you supposed to know who these people are?

Good luck
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No. 208
from Truth66
Old Feb 02, 2009, 10:45 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Actually on a few ocaisions in the past, I have written complaint letters to higher up union officials at the National Office. I learned something very quickly, the rights of members mean nothing, solidarity amongst union officials is everything. I have been raked over the coals numerous times by labour officials. A few years ago the then president of the local was so furious with me becuase I was trying to hold him accountable for not doing his job that he even reported me to the employer about a meeting that he had changed himself and all I was doing was following up on it. I nearly got fired.
Needless to say I have no trust in labour officials who exploit and fail to represent their members.
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No. 209
Old Feb 02, 2009, 11:33 AM

Default Re: Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich
Originally Posted by Truth66 View Post
Actually on a few ocaisions in the past, I have written complaint letters to higher up union officials at the National Office. I learned something very quickly, the rights of members mean nothing, solidarity amongst union officials is everything. I have been raked over the coals numerous times by labour officials. A few years ago the then president of the local was so furious with me becuase I was trying to hold him accountable for not doing his job that he even reported me to the employer about a meeting that he had changed himself and all I was doing was following up on it. I nearly got fired.
Needless to say I have no trust in labour officials who exploit and fail to represent their members.
only time i joined a union was my first job in the factories. The union sold us out to the management, I left that place and never worked Union again. I don't believe in paying someone to exploit me and make my life harder.
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