Descrimination: A full hot meal or soup and a sandwich

It is all a house of cards. One iffy decision and people will tend to magnify things out of proportion that follow. I just think it is human nature. And who knows, maybe that isn't the only thing? I know that all the places I've worked have had issues similar to other threads on this board. I don't always post everything that bugs me, even if it is a MAJOR issue to ME. I would be interested to hear if the OP does think it is good place to work or not.

Where are you? I am holding my breath here in Houston, so far we haven't seen the economic hardships that other parts of the country have. There are still many jobs available here, in healthcare and other areas. Of course we have a large population of illegal immigrants to fill some of those jobs, but there are still lots of jobs in the classifieds.

Anyway, to the economic point, maybe dietary had to cut back. SO, how will they accomidate this? If they can't do the full lunch for the extended hours that are necessary, then what? Everyone go to break at once? Maybe the lpn's and cna's can go to lunch when they tried to before? I wonder why the DON made them go back to the earlier schedule....

I know that this topic has been discussed at length but I just don't understand, if it was working out, then why did the DON order them to go back to the 10:30? Is it a power trip thing??

Just to be clear, and maybe clear up some of the other post, are your meals free or are you expected to pay for them? I think that makes a big difference.

..... as long as they don't 'descriminate' for poor spelling.

who said it was free?

was that really necessary? I don't think she was asking for a spell checker

As necessary as you asking if my anecdotal comment was necessary.
Open forum with no harm intended, if the humor was offensive to you, then I apologize.
v/r

Haven't been on as it seems this has been beaten to death.....I am in NJ, I am not worried about my job; however NJ has closed many hospitals leaving a large pool of nurses unemployed. Additionally, there have been layoffs in many facilities also contributing to unemployed nurses. While other parts of the country may still be looking for nurses, NJ has a plethora of the unemployed and soon to be newly graduated. As the OP is Canadian they may not share our current problems, therefore my advice although pertinent to common sense, may not be on the mark for them. Then again....who knows?

Maisy

Stanley (et al),

Your last post laid out the 'other side' of the debate well - and that's what this has become; a debate of two poles.

Kohlberg suggested there are no explicit right or wrongs - just different levels of moral reasoning by which we determine our position. Even when 'facts' are in play - the context of those facts is of more importance than the fact itself. (eg killing someone is wrong - unless you're a soldier and it's your duty - fact remains that someone is dead - but it is contextually permitted) -

NB: Before I go on, I'm not comparing combat warfare to soup and sandwiches - I'm demonstrating a principle - please, no one jump down my throat complaining about the comparison - otherwise you'll prove you didn't read what I wrote and I take no responsibility for anyone making themselves look ignorant.


So what we're debating is the morality of the action - not the action itself.

So I repost your post:

1. Is it fair that one group misses out on an agreed perk - irrespective of which group - simply because their breaks are at the wrong time? Especially when they seem willing and able to change their break times to accommodate the Dietary Manager's needs.

2. Lower echelons was not my phrase and I agree there are others in the food chain (pun intended). However, the fact that a 'lower order' group has had these restrictions imposed on them, without consultation and without fair warning is a valid and typical occurrence. Equally, Senior Managers would highly likely not accept their company cars being taken off them after it was an agreed perk of the position.

3. Yes. See above.

4. As in 2 - A similar move on more senior staff would not be conducted is such an arrogant manner.

5. Workplace agreements are agreements. If management wish to change them then there is due process to follow and simply making changes for the beneficence of the organisation by those with the authority to make those changes does not abrogate a moral duty to those employees to honour what was already agreed.


So on one hand - yes, I agree the issue is comparatively small fry to, say, Global Warming or Terrorism - but to those it effects directly, it is important. It's all relative to what we have or don't have and what it means to us.

"One death is a tragedy, millions are just statistics" Stalin

What differs here is how some of nurses define "us".

Now I may be raising Communism principles with the wrong crowd here - but the principle of 'Comraderie' is clearly lacking amongst some nurses who imply - "It's not like it's a real issue"

I wonder why these same nurses seem to have such bigger problems - like economy; staffing; no breaks; no meals; yet seem to have no idea how their working conditions got into such a state that they're in.

Probably because when someone gave them soup and everyone else got a full meal - the nurses said nothing.


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they took the hot meals off the CNA & PN-s in an LTC centre in Canada and gave them soup and sammies,
I wasn't just silent - but I told them they were being petty and they should get real.
I wasn't getting hot meals or even a break.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

.. and I still haven't had my lunch break.

[Adapted from Niemöller, 1946]

"First they came…" is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...