recent colonoscopy experience - page 15

I had my first colonoscopy last Friday. I am 46 and my mother has had two surgeries for colon CA, so I felt pretty good about being so responsible. I went to every website I could find and... Read More

  1. by   CrohnieToo
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  2. by   serialmom12
    Quote from mat/childnurse
    I had my first colonoscopy last Friday. I am 46 and my mother has had two surgeries for colon CA, so I felt pretty good about being so responsible. I went to every website I could find and researched all aspects of the procedure (patient teaching, videos of colonoscopies, personal experiences, etc.) I also spoke to several people who had gone through the procedure recently including my husband and my OB/GYN. I felt very well informed and more than educated about what would happen, what I would see on the screen, and how it would feel.
    I was given Versed 2 mg and Demerol 50 mg IVP and the doctor waited until I assured him that I was groggy. Everythiing went just as I expected until just after insertion when air was instilled into my colon. I experienced some of the worst pain I have ever felt. The doctor immediately instructed the nurse to give me "25 more" which I assumed meant more Demerol. He continued the exam with me moaning in pain. I felt every mm. of my colon being blown up and navigated. I tried to watch the screen because I was really interested to see my own colon after viewing so many others in my preparation for the procedure. The pain was practically unbearable. Since then, I have had trouble concentrating and sleeping because I keep reliving this scene. I feel so duped and betrayed. All of the instructions and testimonials I read stated that there is little dicomfort and the Versed gives the patient amnesia to any discomfort that may occur. I have lamazed three children and had I known ahead of time, I would have gotten into a breathing pattern and anticipated the pain. I will know better next time. And as a nurse, I will return in 5 years because of my FH.
    I guess what I want from you guys is some validation that indeed this does occur occasionally and that I'm not alone in this experience.
    Thanks for your input. Sorry about the length of this, but I needed to vent!

    If there is a next time, ask for Fentanyl and Propofol. Versed is an evil poison that never should have been allowed to be used. I had it for an endoscopy 17 years ago and my entire life has been ruined by that experience. I woke up 5 times during the procedure, tried to strangle the dr, felt EVERYTHING and stopped breathing. I woke up covered in bruises and I suffer from severe anxiety attacks and PTSD now. I am in therapy, seeing a shrink and on medication for this. Had I known then what I know know I either never would have had the endoscopy done (it was totally unnessary just a way for the hospital to make money, and now my throat is permanantly damaged and I'm unable to eat quite a few foods or I choke.) or I would have requested Propofol and Fentanyl. I just had major abdominal surgery 4 weeks ago and I insisted they give me that for anesthesia. While I wasn't crazy about the effects of Propofol, at least it was a quick in and quick out, and I still have what little brain cells left that the Versed horror took from me.
    Please tell EVERYONE you know to not let any Dr, Dentist or anesthiologist use this poison on them. It does WAY more harm than it does any good. Dr's love to OD patients on this crap so they won't remember anything and won't sue them...nice, huh?
    I spread the word all over the net and in person. Versed/Midazolam is poison and shouldn't be given to ANYONE. It's cheap and a big money-maker for the medical field, that's why they try to force it on you for almost anything. If you ever hear the words "Oh it's just something to relax you," and they won't tell you what medication it is...RUN for your LIFE!!!

    Kathy a Versed Victim and basketcase since 1991
  3. by   serialmom12
    Quote from theofour
    I had a colonoscopy and upper endoscopy on June 25th. The Versed they gave me had very little effect as I have a high tolerance to Valium. They took me into the procedure room and hooked up my IV. The doctor had previously decided to use "MAC" monitored anesthetic care where they knock you out completely using Propofol. He didn't even give me a choice.
    Thinking back on it, he probably did it to make the procedure easier for himself rather than me. No having to listen to moans and groans or dealing with the patient squirming around. I hear these procedures under conscious sedation can be very painful. But they want more people to go for the test so no matter where you read about it they always say that that it's "somewhat uncomfortable". That's why they use Versed. To wipe your memory of the procedure and the pain. It helps protect the doctor from being sued.

    They didn't even warn me that they were about to knock me out. I was awake one second and then I was awakened by motion of the gurney. The nurse saw me open my eyes and said in a cold, uncaring, indifferent, I say this a hundred times a day manner, "the procedure is over and you're in recovery." Then she walked away.

    I felt like nothing had been done. I suppose that's a good thing. No throat pain from the upper endoscopy in which they took one biopsy from my stomach and one in my duodenum, although later when I read the nurses report "gagging" was noted. No pain in my butt area. No passing gas. No burping or bloating. No nothing. The only evidence that something had been gong on around my butt area was when I reached back there and felt some lube around my anus.

    The main thing I regret is not being conscious to witness the procedure on the monitor. I think I am going to ask for conscious sedation next time WITHOUT the Versed for wiping your memory. I want painkillers only. Will they do this? Am I making a big mistake about this? I have an insatiable curiosity and feel that I WANT to experience the procedure and see my innards "live". Pictures later just don't do it. Can't they have the IV set up so that if I am in too much pain I can say, "I give up! Knock me out!"?

    I don't like the idea that I was completely gone for 45 minutes and feel as though I have been intimately violated. I feel like the 45 minutes that I was gone was just like being dead. If I HAD died, I never would have known the difference! I sure hope there's more to death than that "nothingness"!

    To sleep, to sleep, perchance to dream.


    You CAN have a colonoscopy with just Demerol or Fentanyl and no sedation. Just a word of warning, they will do their darndest to get you to take Versed. The nurse kept telling me 'Oh honey you NEED Versed, you won't be able to stand the pain."
    First of all, there was NO pain with this procedure. I took 1/2 of the normal dose of Demerol (which was like basically no pain killer at all since I have a very high tolerance for drugs.) I told the nurse that I do NOT need Versed, that Versed was poison and ruined my life and left me with PTSD since 1991. I also told her that if I saw her go near my IV with a syringe that I'd tear it out of my hand and be walking out. (I said it with a smile, and the Dr laughed and said 'this one is a tough cookie, leave her alone.')
    You need to discuss this with your Dr before hand. If your doctor won't agree to this, find another Dr. Oh two more things you WILL want to request that alot of people don't know about, and you are entitled to:
    1.) Request a stick of lidocaine before having that very painful IV needle/tube inserted, you won't feel the lidocaine or the IV needle, doing this is the difference between night and day and will save you alot of pain and stress.
    2.) Absolutely DEMAND that the Dr use a pediatric colonscope on you. My Dr only uses that and stated that the adult colonscope is way too large and very hard to maneuver for 95% of the population, unless you're a very large man, it also makes viewing the lining of the colon very hard and often times small polyps are missed. Also the chance of being perforated is ten times greater than when a pediatric scope is used.
    I hope this helps. Please remember to tell EVERYONE you know not to ever let anyone use Versed on them for anything!!!
  4. by   Booty Nurse
    Wow -- I am sorry you had such an awful experience with Versed. However, just because you reacted so badly to it doesn't mean it's a bad drug for everyone. I have only been working in GI since January, but we use Versed on nearly everyone, and I have never seen anyone react badly to it. People can have bad reactions to many drugs; these should be listed as allergies even if it isn't a "true" allergy. In my experience, Versed really helps people to relax, zone out, or sleep, depending on the dosage. I would ask for it for my colonoscopy; I personally wouldn't want narcotics alone, and don't have a medical reason for Propofol to be used (in my state a CRNA or MDA needs to give it, so the cost of the procedure goes way up).

    There are certainly others who feel as stongly as you do about Versed. It would be interesting to see some data on numbers of bad reactions; it seems rare to me, but maybe it's not as rare as I think.
  5. by   serialmom12
    Quote from Booty Nurse
    Wow -- I am sorry you had such an awful experience with Versed. However, just because you reacted so badly to it doesn't mean it's a bad drug for everyone. I have only been working in GI since January, but we use Versed on nearly everyone, and I have never seen anyone react badly to it. People can have bad reactions to many drugs; these should be listed as allergies even if it isn't a "true" allergy. In my experience, Versed really helps people to relax, zone out, or sleep, depending on the dosage. I would ask for it for my colonoscopy; I personally wouldn't want narcotics alone, and don't have a medical reason for Propofol to be used (in my state a CRNA or MDA needs to give it, so the cost of the procedure goes way up).

    There are certainly others who feel as stongly as you do about Versed. It would be interesting to see some data on numbers of bad reactions; it seems rare to me, but maybe it's not as rare as I think.
    Google Versed Horror stories, you'll get a bunch of websites on what a horrible drug Versed is and how it gives people permanent memory loss, anxiety, depression and PTSD.
    Last edit by TheCommuter on Sep 2, '08 : Reason: removed unapproved weblinks
  6. by   core0
    Quote from serialmom12
    If there is a next time, ask for Fentanyl and Propofol. Versed is an evil poison that never should have been allowed to be used. I had it for an endoscopy 17 years ago and my entire life has been ruined by that experience. I woke up 5 times during the procedure, tried to strangle the dr, felt EVERYTHING and stopped breathing. I woke up covered in bruises and I suffer from severe anxiety attacks and PTSD now. I am in therapy, seeing a shrink and on medication for this. Had I known then what I know know I either never would have had the endoscopy done (it was totally unnessary just a way for the hospital to make money, and now my throat is permanantly damaged and I'm unable to eat quite a few foods or I choke.) or I would have requested Propofol and Fentanyl. I just had major abdominal surgery 4 weeks ago and I insisted they give me that for anesthesia. While I wasn't crazy about the effects of Propofol, at least it was a quick in and quick out, and I still have what little brain cells left that the Versed horror took from me.
    Please tell EVERYONE you know to not let any Dr, Dentist or anesthiologist use this poison on them. It does WAY more harm than it does any good. Dr's love to OD patients on this crap so they won't remember anything and won't sue them...nice, huh?
    I spread the word all over the net and in person. Versed/Midazolam is poison and shouldn't be given to ANYONE. It's cheap and a big money-maker for the medical field, that's why they try to force it on you for almost anything. If you ever hear the words "Oh it's just something to relax you," and they won't tell you what medication it is...RUN for your LIFE!!!

    Kathy a Versed Victim and basketcase since 1991
    That's interesting. If you had Versed in the US in 1991 you would have quite a case against the physicians. According to the nice people at the FDA Versed was first approved for use in the US on October 15, 1998.
    http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/nda/98/0...versed_toc.htm

    David Carpenter, PA-C
  7. by   serialmom12
    Quote from core0
    That's interesting. If you had Versed in the US in 1991 you would have quite a case against the physicians. According to the nice people at the FDA Versed was first approved for use in the US on October 15, 1998.
    http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/nda/98/0...versed_toc.htm

    David Carpenter, PA-C

    David, I'm sorry but you are incorrect. Versed has been available and given to the public since 1986. My daughter was given it in 1988 for an EEG to find out why she was having seizures.
  8. by   hypocaffeinemia
    Quote from serialmom12
    David, I'm sorry but you are incorrect. Versed has been available and given to the public since 1986. My daughter was given it in 1988 for an EEG to find out why she was having seizures.
    It must have been difficult to analyze your daughter's seizures given midazolam's strong anti-convulsive properties.

    Serial mom, why is every one of your posts an attack against midazolam? Do you work in the health care industry?
  9. by   hypocaffeinemia
    This old NYT article sites versed's approval date as 1985: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...53C1A96E948260

    Although, the FDA page says 1998.
  10. by   Booty Nurse
    Quote from serialmom12
    Google Versed Horror stories, you'll get a bunch of websites on what a horrible drug Versed is and how it gives people permanent memory loss, anxiety, depression and PTSD.
    I did this; in the first 5 Google pages, I got a few forums with threads discussing Versed, with some posters talking about their bad experiences with Versed. Other postings mentioned Versed in passing, without saying that it was bad. Any references given pointed to a blog called Versed Busters; no one referenced any research or data. This blog seemed to be the only website about how horrible Versed is; there were lots of anecdotal stories, and it seems as though people truly had awful experiences, but no numbers or information indicating how common such problems are.

    I don't doubt that there are people who have had terrible reactions to Versed. But how many? Versed is given thousands of times every day in the US for procedures. Lots of people have bad reactions to penicillin too, but it's still a useful drug for most people when needed.

    Does anyone know of any studies done on this topic? A quick Google Scholar search trying several different terms did not turn anything up.
  11. by   core0
    Quote from serialmom12
    David, I'm sorry but you are incorrect. Versed has been available and given to the public since 1986. My daughter was given it in 1988 for an EEG to find out why she was having seizures.
    You are correct. The approval I referenced is for pediatric usage (I believe). According to the FDA, Versed was approved for continuous infusion in 1985. The sedation indication occurred later (from personal experience Valium and Demerol were used at least into the mid 90's.
    My apologies.

    David Carpenter, PA-C
  12. by   lindamo
    I am so sorry that some of you had bad experiences. I have had two colonoscopies and the prep of the "Go-Litely" was the bad part. The towns where the procedures were done were 300 miles apart. I do not remember one tiny thing about each of them and as far as I know there was no pain, no after affects.
    My question, the dr could not go all the way maybe because of the twists and turns of the colon, they actually do not know why they could not go all the way, some obstruction.
    However, no cancer, and that suits me.
    Have any of you had this problem, is it common and it was not present during the first exam in 2002.
  13. by   P_RN
    Me too. I've had versed several times and never had any noticeable side effects other than closing my eyes and waking about "1 second later". I think it's great stuff.


    Added: I didn't mean me too to indicate my doc had problems. In fact he told me my next one will be needed in 2017. I must have an exceptionally attractive gut I guess.

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