Has the 2010 DNP alledged requirement for NP's already fizzled? - page 2
I have noticed that only a precious few colleges are offering the DNP-NP programs but the MSN programs are still in full force. 2010 is only 1 1/2 years away. I am wondering if this was just... Read More
3Aug 11, '08 by n_gQuote from prairienpbut for who's benefit? for the universities who will collect more tuition money from me? if i don't see an increase in pay or scope, how do i benefit? i'll be forced to compete with pa's for the same salary but i have to spend twice as long and much on my education.i have been around long enough to be part of the bsn ups and downs. the major difference between the bsn push for all and the dnp programs is total # of programs. with the bsn push the community colleges and diploma programs fought hard against the bsn mandate. look at the number of bsn/ad/diploma in the 70s as compared to the current ratio. the diploma programs are virtually gone. community colleges have the ad and the universities have the bsn. the total number of np programs isn't comparable to rn programs and the np programs are already in the university systems. the transition from ms to dnp has been very significant, by 2010 the number of ms np programs will be in the minority. those that continue to offer the ms np will be dominated by the smaller schools who are unable to offer a doctorate degree. most of the larger schools (doctorate degree granting) will convert to the dnp by 2010 and the rest by 2015
0Aug 11, '08 by Selken_g, I agree with your point. Many nurses have enough trouble funding graduate education and finding time to do it. Lengthening the program and making it more costly will not necessarily benefit them, improve the NP professions, or increase the # of NPs on the market or increase # of jobs.
Look at the requirements for a DNP. It's not all clinical, like an MD!! I think you would be better off getting a PhD in Public Health (DrPH?), it is a recognizable degree, you acquire more higher level job skills, and you would have more job options.
Meanwhile, the AMA continues to whittle away at the right of APRNs and CNMs to practice, malpractice insurance becomes more difficult to obtain and rising costs drive CNMs and others out of a job altogether and back into the ranks of staff RNs, hospitals and MDs continue to drop CNM and maybe NP privileges, and the reimbursement fight with insurers goes on and on without resolution ... we can't even get a federal law passed in Congress mandating equal reimbursement for CNMs for care.
Given the big picture, this DNP seems pure vanity to me, sucking energy and time away from these other much more critical fronts.
Just my 2 cents.
0Aug 13, '08 by ANPFNPGNPQuote from Hopefull2009First off, the DNP is supposed to be coming in 2015 and we'll all be grandfathered in. Secondly, just because you are nationally board certified in a specific specialty does NOT mean you will be able to practice in every state. For instance, I graduated from a dual ANP/GNP program and I'm board certified through the ANCC in both specialties. The TX Board of Nursing informed me that they didn't accept dual programs and I would have to choose between the two! Of course, the ANP covered more ages, so I chose it. However, I've heard recently that they are going to start accepting dual ANP/GNP programs, so it won't matter.DNP programs do have a HUGE clinical requirement. Remember, they are differnet from a PhD program. PhD programs are based on theory and DNP is practice focused.
That much I do know....but the following is not what I am sure about...
Someone on the board correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the NP exams national in nature? In other words, you can practice in your home state once you have passed a national exam?
Also, there was a dual FNP/ERNP program in Houston and a couple of the graduates moved to another state and couldn't get licensed as a FNP. So even though they had passed the FNP boards and could practice in Texas, they were not able to practice as a FNP in those states (somewhere in the NW). It's imperative to check all this information out before enrolling in a NP program. I believe there are still a few states that won't accept online programs, but I'm not sure which ones...probably in the North West!