Nurses at Osceola Regional Medical Center in Kissimmee, Fla., Joins NNU - page 3

NNU voted in to represent Osceola Regional Medical Center , 92% - 8% . Welcome to NNU.... Read More

  1. by   nicurn001
    If it makes you happy keep on clutching onto the straw that only 64% of the total number of nurses who could vote , voted for the union , but even that number is viewed by most as a massive endorsement by an electorate of any question .But the reality is that election results are based upon the actual votes placed , for there is no way to extrapollate how the none voters would have voted .It is also a sign of a failure of the anti campaigners to get out their vote .If this pool of non voters were as commited as you to vote , why didn't they , as has been pointed out even if some were advised not to vote , what actually stopped them ( I know if it had been me , that advise would have been ignored and I would have been more determined to vote !! )there were no armed guards at the polling place stopping potential voters were there ?.
  2. by   herring_RN
    Texas Castle Doctrine or Texas Castle Bill or Texas Castle Law
  3. by   nicurn001
    The castle law does not seem to be relevant in the case of any solicitor ( which a union organiser canvessing is ) coming to your door ,particularly if they are acting within the law .
    Whilst I believe the adage your home is your castle , I also accept solicitors are legally able to come to my door , at which point I can choose either to listen to their solicitation or send them on their way .This point comes back to the idea espoused by anti unionist that nurses are strong enough as individuals to stand up to managment , yet too weak to stand up to union organisers ( I'm sorry but that arguement both defies logic and is laughable in its denegration of nurses ability to express themselves ).
  4. by   Chico David RN
    Quote from OsceolaRN
    We have a "castle law" here in Florida as well, ominous. I made it clear to the punks who were attempting to speak to me at work that a visit to my house would not be a welcome one.

    1199SEIU was especially aggressive in visiting the homes of the recalcitrant tech's and RT's, who seemed mostly outraged that anyone would visit their homes.
    The repeated mention of this so-called "castle law" here just cries out for a little more exploration. For those who don't know or don't want to take the time to follow herring's link above, this is a law that speaks to the right to use deadly force against someone who is attempting to rob you, break into your home, attack you physically etc.
    Now our union rarely uses home visits, believing that that they are more likely than not to be counter-productive in many cases. But the fact that you mention the law at all in the context of talking about someone visiting your home to talk about the union implies that you might think it justified to kill someone for the crime of knocking on your door to talk to you. Anti-union people often want to paint union folks as violent or intimidating, but in my experience the actual infatuation with violence seems to be on the other side. And no, that law would not protect you if you shot someone just because they knocked on your door.
  5. by   OsceolaRN
    In my case I had made it abundantly clear to the union punks that I did not wish to have anyone visit my home under any circumstances. Given that I live in a gated community, if someone would have knocked at my door and refused to leave IMMEDIATELY when asked to do so, the castle law would apply.
    Our nurse tech was personally visited by one of the punks, and woke up only 30 minutes after falling asleep. When she asked through the door who was there she was told it was someone from the union at the hospital. She opened the door and told them she had just gone to bed and was not interested in talking. The punk put his foot in the door and said it would only take a few minutes to talk. Again, she said that she was not interested, and yet again he asked for a few minutes. When he finally moved his foot from the door she closed it, and the AH said through the closed door that he would be back on Thursday. Yeah...nothing threatening or intimidating about that!
    Ask Ken Gladney how violent the SEIU can be.
  6. by   nicurn001
    Have watched the video , it does not show the beating of anybody , as in most cases like this only the aftermath of an alleged incident is shown .
    From my searches I have been unable to find any details of the actual court case re. this incident and until or unless the charges are addressed in court we will not have a clear picture of what happened .
    Simply for an opposing view of this event I provide this link
  7. by   herring_RN
    more florida nurses join nnu

    the 250 registered nurses at fawcett memorial hospital in port charlotte, fla., voted earlier this week to join the national nurses organizing committee-florida, an affiliate of national nurses united ([color=#dd0011]nnu).

    this the fourth group of florida rns working at a facility owned by the hospital corporation of america (hca) hospital system to join nnu in the past two weeks. rns at community hospital in new port richey, [color=#dd0011]central florida regional hospital, and [color=#dd0011]osceola regional medical center in kissimmee also voted for union representation.

    at all four hospitals, the rns say they are seeking a stronger voice for better nurse-to-patient ratios, improved procedures for floating assignment of rns beyond their areas of clinical expertise and experience and improved economic standards, including better retirement security in pensions and medical coverage....
  8. by   Chico David RN
    And One More!

    On Thursday, the nurses at Largo-Indian Rocks Medical Center voted to join NNU. That makes 5 Florida hospitals in this run. There's one more election to come next week and then more to follow in the next few months. I had to good fortune to spend the last few days of the campaign at Largo and there are some truly impressive nurse leaders there. The growth in Florida is truly exciting and will build the kind of legislative strength that will make it possible to pass a ratio law and other protections for nurses and patients in the years to come.
  9. by   freetopayattention
    Are there LPN's working at these newly unionized facilities in Acute Care/Med-Surg etc? and how has their job duties changed over the last few years?
  10. by   Chico David RN
    Quote from freetopayattention
    Are there LPN's working at these newly unionized facilities in Acute Care/Med-Surg etc? and how has their job duties changed over the last few years?
    I know there are some, but don't know about the second part - I visited a couple of the hospitals there during the organizing process, but this union is an all-RN union so I did not get into real deep discussions with the LPNs.
  11. by   RN4MERCY
    Quote from Chico David RN
    I know there are some, but don't know about the second part - I visited a couple of the hospitals there during the organizing process, but this union is an all-RN union so I did not get into real deep discussions with the LPNs.
    I did happen to engage in some meaningful discussions with some of the LVNs at two of the facilities that were organizing. They sure recognized the value of union representation, especially because they've faced situations where their employers have tried to have them work outside of their scope of practice! They realized that they were being asked to do the work and the tasks that are within the RNs' job accountability and responsibility, but they weren't being compensated fairly. Not only is this a wage equity issue, but it's a threat to patient safety and puts the LVN and RN license at risk.

    LVNs are a valuable part of the nursing team and they contribute basic skills and services that promote patient well-being and comfort. However, hospitals try to substitute policies for practices that have no basis of support in the law. In other words, just because you "can" do something, doesn't mean that you're "licensed" under the law to do it. Conversely, just because you have a "license" doesn't necessarily mean you're "competent" to do certain tasks.

    Hospitals like to promote "shared governance" and "we're-all-on-the-same team" schemes to fragment care. They use coercive power and threaten discipline or use subjective evaluations to compel compliance with policies that often constitute insulting and dangerous workarounds of staffing laws to obscure professional roles and accountability. Sharing and teamwork sounds like a good idea, but all the warm and fuzzy implications of that tend to disappear when a patient is harmed. Short of malpractice, when the "patient safety is everyone's business" scheme is unmasked, it's the RN who's held ultimately accountable for nursing care...not the housekeeper, the guest services coordinator or the CEO. Deliberate short-staffing is dangerous.

    In response to longer hours, higher healthcare premiums, and more work for the same pay, a new generation of workers is seeking unions. Employees want a voice on the job to create new workplace standards that realize America's image as 'the land of opportunity.' When unscrupulous employers fail to uphold labor standards for certain groups of workers, patients suffer the consequences. By driving down labor standards to the lowest common denominator, it becomes harder to enforce laws and standards.

    That's why the freedom of workers to organize unions and bargain collectively with employers should be guaranteed and promoted. Unions are the very model of democracy in action and they provide job protection. Why should we have to fear for our jobs if we speak against or refuse to participate in legally questionable and unsafe hospital policies? Why should we be derided, singled out and targeted for not being "team players" or "champions" of coercive and shady management practices that put our careers and our patients at risk?

    Work shouldn't hurt!