INCREDIBLE CNA/NNOC victory in Houston. - page 23

by Chico David RN | 33,878 Views | 269 Comments

I'm posting this fast, and don't yet have all the details, but here is what I do know: CNA just won a representation election for the RNs at Cypress Fairbanks Hospital, a part of the Tenet chain in Houston Texas. Other than a... Read More


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    ludlow, i do not operate alone, i have the support of my team and we work well together to accomplish a lot. when we need support from our administration, we ask and we work together for solutions. if anyone from my team elects to join the union, that is their prerogative, and they are still valued members of our team. however, i and almost everyone on my particular unit, don't feel a need for unionization. i'm certain i stated very clearly several posts back that unionization is a concept that has outlasted its purpose.

    as i stated three days ago: if unions were merely a 'tool' i don't think they would be making such a gross profit in this equation. unionization is a concept that has outlived its usefulness. long-gone are the sweatshops and child labor--the abhorrent conditions-- of yesteryear. now it merely exists to perpetuate itself.
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    Quote from vlynnieg
    ludlow, i do not operate alone, i have the support of my team and we work well together to accomplish a lot. when we need support from our administration, we ask and we work together for solutions. if anyone from my team elects to join the union, that is their prerogative, and they are still valued members of our team. however, i and almost everyone on my particular unit, don't feel a need for unionization. i'm certain i stated very clearly several posts back that unionization is a concept that has outlasted its purpose.

    as i stated three days ago: if unions were merely a 'tool' i don't think they would be making such a gross profit in this equation. unionization is a concept that has outlived its usefulness. long-gone are the sweatshops and child labor--the abhorrent conditions-- of yesteryear. now it merely exists to perpetuate itself.
    we now face national hospital chains and multinational corporations. we still need the strength of the many to protect standards.
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    I voted "no," but as I said, they're here now and have to be dealt with. Many of my fellow staffers aren't going to join but I can't do that. The only way to have a voice, IMHO, is to be involved. I'm not going to let someone else make crucial decisions about the course of my professional life without input from me so not only am I joining the union I'm running for shop steward for my unit/shift.

    Going to another hospital is out of the question. I may not be too keen on the union but I'd rather stay where I am and see where it goes than go back to Tenet any day of the week.
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    txdude35 good luck to you , if you can direct the power you felt you had as an individual , to ensure the applicable laws , the eventual contract and the facility / corporate policies are followed by your employer , you will be doing yourself and fellow nurses a great service .
    Often it is those who go into something with doubts who can be a great asset to their new enterprises .
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    Quote from vlynnieg
    ludlow, i do not operate alone, i have the support of my team and we work well together to accomplish a lot. when we need support from our administration, we ask and we work together for solutions. if anyone from my team elects to join the union, that is their prerogative, and they are still valued members of our team. however, i and almost everyone on my particular unit, don't feel a need for unionization. i'm certain i stated very clearly several posts back that unionization is a concept that has outlasted its purpose.

    as i stated three days ago: if unions were merely a 'tool' i don't think they would be making such a gross profit in this equation. unionization is a concept that has outlived its usefulness. long-gone are the sweatshops and child labor--the abhorrent conditions-- of yesteryear. now it merely exists to perpetuate itself.
    nothing could be further from the truth, sorry.
    american businesses have been moving labor off shore for decades now, gutting the american middle class. salaries have been stagnant while ceo salaries have skyrocketed.
    administrative perks are out-of-control.
    the only reason nurses have not been affected more is that we are a service industry and our labors are hands on. that said, the industry has been trying to remove us from the bedside for decades.
    here's the problem- we can't have a society where we produce nothing and live taking care of each other in service industries. when the financial crunch comes, and it will, nurses will be sacrificed just like everyone else, even those of you who play "by their rules".

    nursing needs to become more than a labor group, i agree. we need a social movement, a social activism identity. we must be more than just patient advocates, we need to become social activists as well. therein lies the root to our fulfillment, because that is our foundational history. we have to stand for more than just ourselves and our individual patient. while an empowered association can do that, the ana has not been able to meet that goal. it simply does not stand up for the issues which bedside nurses have identified as their core issues.

    the cna/nnoc, and now the nnu are doing this. they are reconnecting with our social activism roots. maybe you don't need a union, maybe you are a super nurse. many nurses, however, are victims of hospital and other healthcare facilities who could care less about their health or the patients safety.

    a new report out shows that an increasing number of healthcare facilities, particularly the catholic hospitals, are denying women access to complete medical information regarding birth control and other family planning options, including abortion of course. this is wrong. roe v wade is the law of the land. hospitals, as deliverers of medical care, need to keep religion where it belongs, not at the bedside.

    an empowered nursing profession is the only voice sometimes to deal with these kind of social issues. not many of us can just pick up and move if we don't agree with the staffing (and other) policies of our facilities. sometimes, there may only be one facility within a reasonable commuting distance.

    kudos to you (and your team whatever that means) for being so independent. try to be a little more understanding for the rest of us who feel the need for colective action. i agree, it's not the solution at every facility. some administrations are enlightened. most are not.

    the results being published by linda aiken are clear. mandated staffing levels are working.
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    Quote from nicurn001
    txdude35 good luck to you , if you can direct the power you felt you had as an individual , to ensure the applicable laws , the eventual contract and the facility / corporate policies are followed by your employer , you will be doing yourself and fellow nurses a great service .
    Often it is those who go into something with doubts who can be a great asset to their new enterprises .

    Thanks, I appreciate it. One of the things that cracked me up when I was duking it out with the organizers was, when asked how the unit rep would be chosen the reply was "sounds like you'd be a pretty good one."

    If chosen I plan to try my best to keep everyone honest.
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    Quote from forrester
    Nursing needs to become more than a labor group, I agree. We need a social movement, a social activism identity. We must be more than just patient advocates, we need to become social activists as well. Therein lies the root to our fulfillment, because that is our foundational history. We have to stand for more than just ourselves and our individual patient. While an empowered association can do that, the ANA has not been able to meet that goal. It simply does not stand up for the issues which bedside nurses have identified as their core issues.

    The CNA/NNOC, and now the NNU are doing this. They are reconnecting with our social activism roots. Maybe you don't need a union, maybe you are a super nurse. Many nurses, however, are victims of hospital and other healthcare facilities who could care less about their health or the patients safety.

    A new report out shows that an increasing number of healthcare facilities, particularly the Catholic hospitals, are denying women access to complete medical information regarding birth control and other family planning options, including abortion of course. This is wrong. Roe v Wade is the law of the land. Hospitals, as deliverers of medical care, need to keep religion where it belongs, not at the bedside.

    An empowered nursing profession is the only voice sometimes to deal with these kind of social issues. Not many of us can just pick up and move if we don't agree with the staffing (and other) policies of our facilities. Sometimes, there may only be one facility within a reasonable commuting distance.

    Kudos to you (and your team whatever that means) for being so independent. Try to be a little more understanding for the rest of us who feel the need for colective action. I agree, it's not the solution at EVERY facility. Some administrations are enlightened. Most are not.
    Dude, you're taking this a lot of different directions, but there are several points that I'd like to address:
    (deep breath) here we go--
    I can be socially active without chosing your specific cause to espouse. As a matter of fact, i have several causes near and dear to me, some of which are interconnected with each other. None of thempertain to you or your cause, so the details of which aren't neccessary.

    You talk about Catholic hospitals and Roe vs. Wade. Don't. Go. There. There may be a right for women to privately murder their unborn, but with that does not come the right to supercede other people's right to not be involved with same decision if it against their conscience to do so. One of the biggest problems today in this country IMHO is that we are forced to only practice our faith in that one hour a week (or as my schedule permits one hour every two weeks) that we are in our respective places of worship. This great nation was founded upon an idea of freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. This means that, in theory, we can practice our faith free from persecution. Unfortunately, it is increasingly apparent that we are disallowed to live our faiths as it may be an inconvenience to others. I will not force my religious values on you if you will agree not to force your apparent lack of them on me. My faith is what led me to nursing and the area I specialize in and the care I provide to my patients and the support I give to my teammates is an expression of my faith.

    Thanks, also for the pot shots: super nurse, huh? And the (and your team whatever that means) was a nice touch as well. So very endearing. Then you ask for 'understanding'? Lovely.

    I didn't enter into this to war with you. I've said my piece, and now I simply reiterate: peace be with you (shalom)
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    Quote from vlynnieg
    I could tell by the manner in which many of the ballots were marked that many of the ones that were against had very strong feelings. By contrast, I didn't see any of the pro-union votes marked with such vigor.
    Hardly a scientific observation, but regardless, the above observation doesn't change the fact that a majority did in fact vote for the union.

    So now you have a choice between becoming active in your union (similar to what TXdude is stating he'll do) and making your union work for you

    OR

    you can take a 2nd vote with your feet

    OR

    you can be a malcontent, marking off days on your calendar before the impending decert. vote

    I'm hoping you and your fellow workers do as TXdude says he plans to do and become active; who knows, even though your facility doesn't need the union (that by pure accident happened to be voted for by a majority, because the hospital is already a great place to work with ratios close to the ones in CA, regular pay raises, solid benefits, ability to advocate for your patient, your fellow nurses, and yourself without fear of administrative backlash) maybe, just maybe you can find some way to make your hospital even a little better; or at least that is my hope for you and your colleagues
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    Quote from PsychRN03
    Hardly a scientific observation, but regardless, the above observation doesn't change the fact that a majority did in fact vote for the union.

    So now you have a choice between becoming active in your union (similar to what TXdude is stating he'll do) and making your union work for you

    OR

    you can take a 2nd vote with your feet

    OR

    you can be a malcontent, marking off days on your calendar before the impending decert. vote

    I'm hoping you and your fellow workers do as TXdude says he plans to do and become active; who knows, even though your facility doesn't need the union (that by pure accident happened to be voted for by a majority, because the hospital is already a great place to work with ratios close to the ones in CA, regular pay raises, solid benefits, ability to advocate for your patient, your fellow nurses, and yourself without fear of administrative backlash) maybe, just maybe you can find some way to make your hospital even a little better; or at least that is my hope for you and your colleagues
    PsychRN, we get annual raises, and, every two years, there's also a market analysis done and everyone throughout the hospital (not just nurses) gets a raise based on this in addition to the annual raises. Nurses in specialty areas also get compensated for such. AND every few years there are generous bonuses. I believe many nurses were blinded by greed, pure and simple. The cost of living here is very amenable. Union organizers came in quoting CA pay rates, which by necessity are higher due to the higher cost of living there, but are implausible here. We probably will get a salary increase with a contract, but will likely lose all of the raises and bonuses, etc we had previously enjoyed as part of the trade-off. Because that's the nature of contract negotiation in general. I know what I have and it is good. I know I stand to lose all or part of it in exchange for what gets negotiated in the Union's contract. I don't want to lose what I have because someone else seems to think the grass is greener somewhere else.

    As for the options as you outlined them. My hospital is my home, my collegues are family, I will only leave if it gets so intolerable under Union rule that I feel i have no other choice. I do not have any intentions of joining a Union I do not suport. All due respect to TXdude, I just can't do it. Will I lurk about as some malcontent and try to make trouble? NO, that is not good for my hospital/home. There's no reason we can't all peacefully coexhist. Will I vote against them if there's a decertification vote? That's between me and my ballot
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    Quote from vlynnieg
    txdude35, there is a particular organizer's face that pops into my mind as I'm reading your contribution. She reacted the same way when another nurse and I asked her similar questions when she interrupted our break. It's weird seeing a third party say 'we won' when they are referring to a facility--kinda like the Mongol horde invasion. It's my understanding that there still is not a contract for Cypress Fairbanks--unless it has happened in the last 1 week.
    Several of my 3rd floor colleagues complained openly about Union representatives going TO THEIR HOME to solicit their votes. One of them...an Agency RN...asked why they'd done that, and she was told "because you're never at work!". They wouldn't tell her where they got her address information, but they drove from McAllen to Harlingen to see her.


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